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Tanypteryx
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Message 261 of 566 (887463)
08-04-2021 1:20 PM
Reply to: Message 249 by ICANT
08-04-2021 12:13 AM


Re: Get Real.
ICANT writes:

If I remember correctly there is no such thing as empty space. A vacuum would be the only thing that is said to be empty. But since it is said that things pop into existence in a vacuum, So a vacuum is not empty If you got everything out of it, it would not exist.

You can't seem to make up your mind.

A vacuum would be the only thing that is said to be empty.

As far as I can see you are the only one saying that. Gravitational fields and electromagnetic fields exist in a vacuum. Your mistake here is that you think spacetime and a vacuum are the same thing. Spacetime is every region of high pressure in the Universe as well as low pressure.

ICANT writes:

If the space between the Milky Way and Andromeda is not shrinking

It is not shrinking, it is expanding. The gravitational attraction is dragging the two galaxies toward each other at a faster rate than the expansion. The expansion is like a little headwind and if the gap was wider the headwind would be stronger. Since all space is expanding it will take longer for them to collide than if space was static with regards to expansion or contraction.

Looking beyond our local galaxy cluster, our whole cluster is experiencing mutual gravitational attraction with other distant clusters, but because there is far more space between them and us the expansion rate is greater than the mutual gravitational attraction so they are getting further and further from us.

This is just about the simplest story problem to understand. This is way easier to see than trying to figure out where two trains traveling at different speeds will crash into each other. Local forces can overcome the expansion rate of the Universe as a whole.

ICANT writes:

Evidence: Energy can not be created.

Energy can be converted into matter which is what we see in the universe.

And matter can be converted into energy and energy can be stored and released. Measuring all the kinds of energy and sources of energy in the Universe or even relatively small portions of the Universe beyond human capabilities right now, but it's an interesting challenge and we're learning all sorts of new things and discovering lots of new questions. Our observations of distant objects in the Universe are giving us insights into the history of the Universe and possible futures.

So far we have gotten muddled muddle rather than insight from you.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 267 of 566 (887480)
08-05-2021 12:16 PM
Reply to: Message 264 by Michael MD
08-05-2021 8:03 AM


Re: Get Real.
I should point out that in my Ether Model, what quantum theory refers to as a vacuum, i.e., as being completely empty, would not apply.

So, you haven't actually studied anything about quantum theory. And you do not know anything about vacuum.

and what they are calling "totally empty" just refers to what they are picking up with quantum-forces-mediated measurements.

Your misunderstanding physics seems to be complete.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 269 of 566 (887485)
08-05-2021 10:24 PM
Reply to: Message 268 by Michael MD
08-05-2021 7:56 PM


Re: Get Real.
I based my judgement of your lack of knowledge on your misstatements about what Quantum physics says about vacuum.

But I was also pointing out that you don't seem to have any understanding of the whole field of physics.

You don't even have a wild-assed guess.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 307 of 566 (888928)
10-24-2021 12:45 PM
Reply to: Message 306 by Michael MD
10-24-2021 12:15 PM


Re: Get Real.
To try to boil my ether model down to its bare-bone essentials.-

So, still no evidence, just sciency sounding words boiling over in your mind. Bare-bone essentials is the math and supporting evidence.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 319 of 566 (889334)
11-18-2021 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 317 by Michael MD
11-18-2021 8:50 AM


Re: Get Real.
While it's true that larger numbers of muons have been detected around the earth, which physics proposes arise when cosmic rays strike earth's outer atmosphere, my model would counter that those muons merely stem from vast cosmic collisions such as quasars and the like.

Larger numbers of muons compared to what? So, you do not even have a clue what a quasar is. Such as quasars and the like? WTF is and the like?

You must have worked for months on this post.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 322 of 566 (889358)
11-19-2021 11:45 AM
Reply to: Message 320 by Michael MD
11-19-2021 11:14 AM


Re: Get Real.
When you refer to my ether model and remark that I "haven't a clue what a quasar is," you are starting to venture into a whole area of cosmology.

Well, you brought quasars up in the first place. Thank you for confirming that you still don't have a clue what they are.

My Ether Model views cosmic forces and events like quasars from the viewpoint that such things are "under management" of ether-technology groups (does the term "UFO" ring a bell?), operating occultly with respect the earth people, who use etheric forces to keep the areas where entities exist safe from such chaotic disturbances as quasars.

OK, now we are getting somewhere, your "Ether Model" is a science fiction and fantasy story. Watch out for those ether technology anal probes!

Edited by Tanypteryx, : No reason given.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 324 of 566 (889367)
11-20-2021 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 323 by Michael MD
11-20-2021 12:00 PM


Re: Get Real.
As I said, I wouldn't want to take my Ether Model into the area of cosmology. My basic model of elemental forces and a universal ether has not gotten serious consideration yet, so it would be inappropriate to try to extend it further into the other area of theory.

You are making the right decision, it should stay in the hypothetical fantasy and science fiction section.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 329 of 566 (889411)
11-25-2021 10:57 AM
Reply to: Message 328 by jar
11-25-2021 10:31 AM


Re: Get Real.
Please stop insulting Science Fiction and Fantasy.

Hey there's a lot of shitty science fiction out there. MD added flying saucers, turning his model into just shitty fiction.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 337 of 566 (889426)
11-26-2021 12:26 AM
Reply to: Message 336 by Tangle
11-25-2021 3:58 PM


Re: Get Real.
That's the worst danger alright, but you can construct molecube filters that will allow the beams to pass through each other harmlessly, as long as the REM coils are tuned. Tactimatically, speaking.

Edited by Tanypteryx, : No reason given.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 343 of 566 (889436)
11-26-2021 4:20 PM
Reply to: Message 342 by dwise1
11-26-2021 3:27 PM


Re: Get Real.
That probably explains the Flux. Damn, it's so obvious, too!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 349 of 566 (889447)
11-27-2021 2:45 PM
Reply to: Message 348 by anglagard
11-27-2021 1:54 PM


Re: Get Real.
let him know that overturning the standard models of physics is not childsplay, and emphasized the need for models that can predict the future.

To me, at this point in history, any models would have to include the observations and conclusions that already explain many phenomena in the Universe. It seems improbable that new discoveries will overturn the standard models, rather than expanding or refining them.

I see no indication that Michael MD is serious.

That's a pretty safe bet considering he's mentioned flying saucers and the occult/supernatural gibberish.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 352 of 566 (889453)
11-27-2021 6:56 PM


I have heard that well known scientists get manuscripts about these crackpot "discoveries" multiple times a week. It is a shame really, all that wasted paper or digital storage.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 360 of 566 (889477)
11-29-2021 10:56 AM
Reply to: Message 358 by Michael MD
11-29-2021 10:10 AM


Once the quantum size units appear, they are able to interact in the dynamic behavior of quantum physics, involving waves, fields, vectors, and so on. -But the prime instigator of all the observations with energy transmissions is the ether.

Yeah, but what, exactly, powers the flying saucers?


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 363 of 566 (889495)
11-30-2021 10:51 AM
Reply to: Message 361 by Michael MD
11-30-2021 8:22 AM


I said I wouldn't try to extend my Ether Model into cosmology, because the basic parts of the Model, involving the theory of elemental forces, hasn't received serious consideration yet.

Yeah, it's a pain when your model can't explain any of the questions in physics or even expand any of the answers in physics.

Your model has the same effect as adding zero or subtracting zero in an equation.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 370 of 566 (889966)
12-18-2021 11:23 AM
Reply to: Message 368 by Michael MD
12-18-2021 8:08 AM


I'm glad you cleared that up.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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