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Tanypteryx
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Message 391 of 773 (889528)
12-02-2021 8:07 PM
Reply to: Message 390 by Phat
12-02-2021 7:49 PM


Re: Mandatory Empathy and Government Control
So you have two, compared to countless thousands of qualified blacks who didn't a hearing.
You specifically said:
quote:
punished qualified employees in order to meet quotas for hiring minorities.
Not qualified applicants.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 392 of 773 (889529)
12-02-2021 8:18 PM
Reply to: Message 378 by Phat
12-02-2021 11:41 AM


Re: Mandatory Empathy and Government Control
Phat writes:
I am in favor of spreading the wealth equally among the people...
That would be redistribution of wealth. You won't find any conservatives in favor of this.
...rather than helping Blacks, Indians, and other marginalized groups.
Jesus:
Mark 10:21: "You lack one thing: go, sell all that you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me."
Phat:
"They will simply waste the money."
Either you're neither a conservative nor a follower of Jesus, or you're so confused you can't get either's philosophy straight.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 393 of 773 (889531)
12-02-2021 8:50 PM
Reply to: Message 390 by Phat
12-02-2021 7:49 PM


Re: Mandatory Empathy and Government Control
What is it that you think you're proving by presenting examples of misapplication of affirmative action.
I think I saw a couple movies about you the other day:
I don't think I've ever seen such a pronounced personality change. A year or two ago people would have called you one of the sweetest guys on the site. Now they might call you confused, lost, soulless. Here's hoping you find some Christian charity in your heart. Treat an Arapaho to dinner - after all, you're living on their land.
--Percy

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Message 394 of 773 (889532)
12-02-2021 8:59 PM
Reply to: Message 391 by Tanypteryx
12-02-2021 8:07 PM


Re: Mandatory Empathy and Government Control
Tanypteryx writes:
You specifically said:
quote:
punished qualified employees in order to meet quotas for hiring minorities.
Not qualified applicants.
Plus quotas were ruled unconstitutional nearly twenty years ago. Affirmative action will remain necessary as long as there's racism.
--Percy

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Phat
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Message 395 of 773 (889534)
12-03-2021 10:42 AM
Reply to: Message 321 by Percy
08-21-2021 12:17 PM


Re: Darker Future For USA
I know that you will jump on me for posting this video, but I think that Fox News is spot-on in its assessment of the looting situation in San Francisco. California made several mistakes.
  • They reduced shoplifting (under $900.00) to a misdemeanor rather than a felony as it should be.
  • they have allowed criminals to be looked upon as victims rather than being held responsible for lawless and blatant actions.
    Of course, a lot of you will say that Fox News portrays the ideological battle between conservatives and liberals in a clearly biased fashion.
    Ringo will bray on about helping the "least of these" as if people committing criminal acts are simply victims of a racist society. The policeman from NYC is spot on in his assessment. California may be "woke" but they soon will be broke. And yes, I know that money is not the issue...blah blah blah. To be honest, I know that I am coming across as a heartless a*hole, but my concerns regarding lawlessness and crime are not racist rants. They are based on common sense values which this country now tiptoes around for fear of offending anybody.
    For the record, I am not suggesting that bringing back Trump is in any way a solution. What I am saying is that we the people are heading towards a lawless atheistic society, and that what you see as the solutions are nothing more than gasoline being thrown on a fire.
    Reparations do not mean that people should look the other way when a crime is clearly being committed.

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
    - Criss Jami, Killo

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    Tangle
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    Message 396 of 773 (889535)
    12-03-2021 10:49 AM


    ... and Tangle will say "why the fuck are you watching Fox News?"
    It's not good for you Phat.

    Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

    "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

    "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
    Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
    - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


      
    Phat
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    Message 397 of 773 (889536)
    12-03-2021 10:50 AM
    Reply to: Message 393 by Percy
    12-02-2021 8:50 PM


    I watched Scrooge Last Night
    I rented the movie Scrooge with Albert Finney last night. It was a delight. I shed a tear or two and I saw some of myself in that old heartless miser.
    I feel like he did sometimes. I feel no sympathy for criminals, yet I fail to see the beam in my own eye as I comment about the splinters in many of them.

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
    - Criss Jami, Killo

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    jar
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    Message 398 of 773 (889537)
    12-03-2021 10:52 AM
    Reply to: Message 395 by Phat
    12-03-2021 10:42 AM


    Re: Darker Future For USA
    You truly are an utter idiot Phat.
    Are the people that committed the mass smash & grabs being sought by the police?
    Have any of them been caught, tried and found innocent because they were vitims?
    Reality Phat.
    Stop paying attention to liars and conmen.

    My Website: My Website

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    ringo
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    Joined: 03-23-2005


    Message 399 of 773 (889538)
    12-03-2021 10:54 AM
    Reply to: Message 384 by Phat
    12-02-2021 5:53 PM


    Re: Mandatory Empathy and Government Control
    Phat writes:
    In short, cultural Marxism is a revolutionary leftist idea that traditional culture is the source of oppression in the modern world.
    Jesus taught that traditional culture was the source of oppression in His world.
    Phat writes:
    And I am smart enough to differentiate between truth and lies.
    Clearly not.
    Phat writes:
    What I mean is that aid to the people should not target only certain groups.
    Like only the ones who need it?

    "I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
    -- Lucky Ned Pepper

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    Percy
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    Message 400 of 773 (889539)
    12-03-2021 10:57 AM
    Reply to: Message 372 by Phat
    12-02-2021 10:30 AM


    Re: Mandatory Empathy and Government Control
    Phat writes:
    The question is "which people"?
    Go ahead and answer your own question. Would it be people like you and definitely not blacks, American indians and other minorities?
    ALL of them?
    Please tell us which groups you were planning to discriminate against through exclusion.
    (Globalism writ LARGE)
    Do even you know what this means? Is that like all of everything? The Earth rules the universe?
    nwr writes:
    Since you are so concerned about cultural Marxism, maybe you can explain what it is. I have tried a google lookup. But, as best I can tell, there's no such thing.
    I am NOT referring to the conspiracy theory.
    The Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory exists. Cultural Marxism does not. It is nothing except what you're making up as you type on your keyboard.
    Note that a conspiracy by definition is:
    Note that focus is on a conspiracy theory, not a conspiracy. A conspiracy theory is a set of spurious arguments for the existence of a conspiracy. Which is what Cultural Marxism is. Cultural Marxism has no actual existence in reality. It's just one of the many bugaboos of the right to keep the base active and agitated and sending in those donations.
    <nonsense ignored>
    My parents were far from aristocratic, however. They simply were benefactors of the aberration which jar has spoken of...the ramped up industrial capacity of the United States for twenty years or so after WWII.
    Jar did comment in this topic area, but I don't think this accurately captures what he said. If I can add my own take on this, the industrial might of the the United States was a reality well before WWII. We became the world's largest economy by 1890. But the physical separation from the rest of the world by two oceans led to a more isolationistic foreign policy than much of the rest of the world, especially in military matters, that didn't end until WWII left much of the rest of the world in ashes and the US as the world's dominant power.
    nwr writes:
    And yet you belong to the evangelical Christian collective and you regularly vote for the Republican collective.
    Not true. I voted for Biden over Trump in the last election, though I now regret it.
    Trump possesses no qualities that the Phat of five years ago would have approved of.
    The Democrats in power appear set to spend more money than Trump ever did.
    You're saying this yet again just one day after I debunked it in Message 365, so I'll say it again:
    quote:
    And why are you worried about deficits now and not under Trump? Here's a graph of our annual deficit since 2001. Notice that the deficit increased each year under Trump, and especially in 2020, Trump's last year. The projected deficit for 2021, Biden's first year, is slightly lower:
    About upcoming deficits, are you somehow imagining that the $1.2 trillion infrastructure bill and the $1.75 trillion social programs and climate change bill are all going to be spent in one year so that next year our deficit will increase by $2.95 trillion? You do think that, don't you, so let me disabuse you of that misconception. The $1.2 trillion for infrastructure will be spent over five years, averaging $240 billion per year. The $1.75 trillion for social programs and climate change will be spent over ten years, averaging $175 billion per year. That's a total increase of $415 billion next year. Feel better now?
    Do you get it now? Trump and the Republicans were the big deficit busters, not the Democrats.
    Critics will say that this money is primarily earmarked to help the US, but statements such as the ones jar has made disturb me.
    Jar said nothing disturbing. Investing is a good thing. This is still a free country, and Americans are still allowed to invest their dollars where they choose.
    jar writes:
    We should have accepted the democratically determined will of the people of Iran, Iraq, Vietnam, Thailand, Cambodia, China, Colombia, Cuba, Dominican Republic, ... the list goes on and on; and allowed those nations to determine their own forms of Government instead of stepping in and trying to force OUR desired government on them. We should have given them aid instead of guns.
    FULL STOP. Do you mean to suggest that our tax dollars should have gone overseas?
    Is there nothing so simple you can't misunderstand it? Jar is saying that tax dollars used to send military aid would have been better spent as economic aid. It's tempting to arm a country beset by enemies like Israel, but the result is the massive human rights abuses of Gaza and the West Bank. That's all on us.
    Though I suppose that they already do indirectly through the BEAST that is the military-industrial complex!
    Are you still responding to jar, because it sure doesn't seem like it since you're ignoring that you just quoted him arguing for, namely economic instead of military assistance.
    This world is SCREWED UP!
    Not that this isn't true, but so are you.
    Note the comments by a left-leaning Christian by the name of John Pavlovitz:
    Here's a link to what Mr. Pavlovitz said: Yes World, It’s That Bad Here in America—and Worse. Some of it is so pertinent and powerful that I'm going to quote it again:
    quote:
    It’s the face of family members whose newly revealed racism is regularly leveling us around the dinner table.
    It’s the face of former church friends, who have completely abandoned the Jesus they claim faith in and chosen the vilest of idols.
    It’s the face of once pleasant neighbors who casually regurgitate extremist propaganda in sidewalk conversations.
    It’s the face of childhood friends spewing anti-immigrant filth on their social media profiles.
    ...
    So yes, it’s the staggering cruelty of those holding the power here—but just as much it’s the people we know and live alongside who are so gladly empowering them.
    Yes, it’s the complete bastardization of the rule of law and the systems of protections our forebears put in place to avoid putting our nation in such peril—but it’s our coworkers and uncles and classmates who don’t seem to give a damn about that.
    Yes, it’s one political party’s sociopathic lack of empathy and their unrepentant viciousness—but it’s the people we’ve shared Thanksgiving dinner with and served on mission trips alongside, who share their venom and boost their signal.
    Yes, it’s Republican politicians’ incessant attacks on LGBTQ people and immigrants and Muslims and the sick and the vulnerable—but it’s the once kind-hearted people we love, who have been so poisoned by partisan talking points and perverted Christian theology that they celebrate all of it.
    ...
    We’re certainly losing the big things here: the integrity of our elections, the stability of our Republic, the faith in our systems, the illusion that our Republican leaders will put anything over power and party.
    ...
    We’re wondering what happened to our nation—and to people we once loved and respected; to our parents, grandparents, siblings, neighbors, and best friends.
    ...
    Yes, our Democracy is in peril, but our most treasured relationships with people are in tatters too.
    He's talking about you, Phat. You're the person with the "newly revealed racism" who has "completely abandoned the Jesus they claim faith in and chosen the vilest of idols." You're the one who "casually regurgitates extremist propaganda" and is "spewing anti-immigrant filth." You're the one "empowering...staggering cruelty" and "the complete bastardization of the rule of law." It's you who is enabling "one politcal party's sociopathic lack of empathy and their unrepentant viciousness" and "incessant attacks on LGBTQ people and immigrants and Muslims and the sick and the vulnerable."
    It's incredible that you're so clueless you quoted a spot-on self-portrait describing your heartlessness, cruelty and disregard for democracy. The people you criticize for denying Jesus have far more Christian spirit in one fingernail than you have in your entire body.
    Because by and large, many liberals have dismissed the necessity (nevermind possibility) of surrendering to God as we understand Him and following His mandates and substituted allegiance to a progressive government and allowing "it" to set the mandates. Conservatives with a strong faith and a moral conscience are few and far between, but they get it. Without Jesus Christ, humans will never successfully create a workable consensus and a brave new world. The antitheists violently disagree. The makings of a spiritual war are all too evident.
    You have surpassed Faith in lack of self-awareness. You've elevated belief in God and accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior as the sole qualification to goodness while spurning kindness and charity toward your fellow man. Your beliefs won't save you from the consequences of your heartlessness and cruelty.
    I can just picture it as you approach the pearly gates. "I appreciate that you believed in me and accepted my son as Lord and Savior, but did you really write that blacks and Indians would just waste the money, and did you really argue against helping the poor and the descendants of those robbed of their land and freedom?"
    --Percy

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    Phat
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    Message 401 of 773 (889540)
    12-03-2021 11:01 AM
    Reply to: Message 398 by jar
    12-03-2021 10:52 AM


    Re: Darker Future For USA
    jar writes:
    Are the people that committed the mass smash & grabs being sought by the police?
    Yes, thanks to modern technology some have been caught. I wish technology could catch all of them.
    Have any of them been caught, tried, and found innocent because they were victims?
    Not to my knowledge. Quit calling me an idiot just because I lean conservative at times. You and others will find out soon enough that the progressives never will run everything and that there are two sides to every story. Quit burying your heads in the sands of ideology and imagining that the world would be a better place if you got rid of the other side. I certainly realize that we need both conservatives and liberals. Maybe you need to learn the same reality.

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
    - Criss Jami, Killo

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    ringo
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    Message 402 of 773 (889541)
    12-03-2021 11:08 AM
    Reply to: Message 395 by Phat
    12-03-2021 10:42 AM


    Re: Darker Future For USA
    Phat writes:
    Ringo will bray on about helping the "least of these"....
    It was Jesus who brayed on about the "least of these". I only quote Him.
    Phat writes:
    ... as if people committing criminal acts are simply victims of a racist society.
    You're being dishonest. You're trying to pull the old switcheroo. You're palming the pea. You post videos of organized crime and dishonestly conflate that with people who ARE victims of a racist society. You might as well post videos of the Holocaust and claim that I condone that.
    Phat writes:
    ... my concerns regarding lawlessness and crime are not racist rants.
    They're idiotic rants. Racism is another form of idiocy that you exhibit.
    Phat writes:
    Reparations do not mean that people should look the other way when a crime is clearly being committed.
    And nobody has suggested that. You're swallowing hook, line and sinker what your right-wing handlers are telling you we think. And you're ignoring what WE tell you we think.
    Phat writes:
    ... we the people are heading towards a lawless atheistic society....
    "Lawless atheistic" is an oxymoron. It's pretty clear that atheists have a moral compass that's equal to or better than Christians'.

    "I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
    -- Lucky Ned Pepper

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    Message 403 of 773 (889542)
    12-03-2021 11:15 AM
    Reply to: Message 401 by Phat
    12-03-2021 11:01 AM


    Re: Darker Future For USA
    Phat writes:
    Quit burying your heads in the sands of ideology and imagining that the world would be a better place if you got rid of the other side.
    You're the one who's doing that.

    "I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
    -- Lucky Ned Pepper

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    jar
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    Message 404 of 773 (889543)
    12-03-2021 11:43 AM
    Reply to: Message 401 by Phat
    12-03-2021 11:01 AM


    Re: Darker Future For USA
    Phat writes:
    Quit calling me an idiot just because I lean conservative at times. You and others will find out soon enough that the progressives never will run everything and that there are two sides to every story. Quit burying your heads in the sands of ideology and imagining that the world would be a better place if you got rid of the other side. I certainly realize that we need both conservatives and liberals. Maybe you need to learn the same reality.
    Stop lying Phat.
    I call you an idiot because you keep posting idiotic nonsense.
    If it walks like an idiot and posts like an idiot it is almost certainly an idiot.
    I am a conservative.
    But I am NOT a Fascist.
    I support the concept that we should have a government of the people, by the people and for the people. All the people and that means providing for the least of these our brothers.
    I have NEVER suggested getting rid of 'the other side' whatever that absurdity means.
    I have never tried to stop you from posting really stupid idiotic crap.
    Stop and honestly read the stuff you've been posting.
    Look at how often you have retracted your comments only to immediately repost the very same absurdities.
    You need to seriously stop and actually address your health and mental wellbeing.

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    Message 405 of 773 (889544)
    12-03-2021 12:29 PM
    Reply to: Message 401 by Phat
    12-03-2021 11:01 AM


    Re: Darker Future For USA
    Quit calling me an idiot just because I lean conservative at times.
    No, you do not lean conservative. Your leaning is toward radical right wing extremism, which is very different from conservatism.

    Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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