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xongsmith
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Message 406 of 773 (889545)
12-03-2021 2:52 PM
Reply to: Message 401 by Phat
12-03-2021 11:01 AM


Re: Darker Future For USA
here's a video about shoplifting costs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FPZ0Zh0U20

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."

- xongsmith, 5.7d


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Message 407 of 773 (889546)
12-03-2021 3:18 PM
Reply to: Message 406 by xongsmith
12-03-2021 2:52 PM


Re: Darker Future For USA
Pay attention, Phat! ^^^
Begin to see the twisted lies of your Fox News story?
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Phat
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Message 408 of 773 (889547)
12-03-2021 3:38 PM
Reply to: Message 391 by Tanypteryx
12-02-2021 8:07 PM


Re: Mandatory Empathy and Government Control
Tanypteryx writes:
So you have two, compared to countless thousands of qualified blacks who didn't (get) a hearing.
I'm not sure which video it was in, but the employer even admitted that they use two pools for qualified applicants. In one a 2.5 or better GPA is required. The other pool has no GPA requirement. I'm sure this is the main complaint of rejected applicants...that they were considered only after the smaller pool was considered. I suppose that this is the only way for the playing field to be leveled but I must say I am glad to be working at a job where seniority exists. Seniority is colorblind. It ensures that as (an) employee ages and cannot lift as much or work as hard as a younger man or woman that they do not become disqualified. But to be honest, I'm tired of this topic and a bit confused as to why I rant. My opponents here at EvC have made some good points and have called my spiritual "qualifications" into question. I have no defense.
Tanypteryx writes:
Yeah, those Dems, they're the ones against abortion choice and against equal rights for lgbt people, poor people, black people, and brown people. Gun control, you got us there.
It saddens me that politics becomes the standard and that America has become so polarized and divided. Yes, I watch Fox News. I also watch CNN, NBC, and even BBC and Al Jazeera at times. I believe in listening to differing views in order to get the pulse of ALL people, though I will admit to being biased and scared. I do NOT label myself as a white supremacist, though I am fearful that aging old white guys who self-identify as Christian are being labeled as agitators.
Tanypteryx writes:
Good grief!!!!!!!! I am saying the government has to stop discriminating against non-whites.
There is equal rights, which I favor and there are special rights and reparative ideas which I oppose. I feel as if I am not being understood. One cannot simply throw money at a problem and fix it.
As I said before, Marc9000 is conservative and favors freedom over equality. He sees equality as mandatory ordained government meddling.
The other side of the coin sees mandatory equality as an antidote to white privilege. I am somewhat in the middle and as of yet am still deciding which side if any I should support.
Tanypteryx writes:
That's because he's a racist. There is not a single point of view I share with him. I have nothing but contempt for him.
That's a pretty strong position! marc 9000 is a conservative member of a church. He has never struck me as racist, but maybe it's because I have exhibited racist opinions myself. I'm guessing that you also have nothing but contempt for me also.
I get defensive when EvC gangs up and tells me that there is no evidence for God. For people who are supposedly as intelligent as you all are, this willful blindness disturbs me. Percy, however, does have a point that gave me pause to think.
Percy writes:
It's incredible that you're so clueless you quoted a spot-on self-portrait describing your heartlessness, cruelty, and disregard for democracy. The people you criticize for denying Jesus have far more Christian spirit in one fingernail than you have in your entire body. (...)You've elevated belief in God and accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior as the sole qualification to goodness while spurning kindness and charity toward your fellow man. Your beliefs won't save you from the consequences of your heartlessness and cruelty.
I can just picture it as you approach the pearly gates. "I appreciate that you believed in me and accepted my son as Lord and Savior, but did you really write that blacks and Indians would just waste the money, and did you really argue against helping the poor and the descendants of those robbed of their land and freedom?"
I will agree with Percy that my belief won't save me as long as my actions don't line up.
Tanypteryx writes:
Since 1981 there have been no negotiations on taxes, the fucking republicans have cut all the taxes on the wealthy and large corporations and shifted the burden to the poor and middle class and then gave FUCKING TRILLIONS OF TAX DOLLARS TO THOSE SAME COMPANIES calling them "Tax Refunds". You cannot call it a refund if you didn't pay anything to begin with.
You are fine with all THAT fucking money coming out of your pocket.
High blood sugars aside, my rants stem from my fears. I am scared of an economic collapse, but I am more scared of the government taking control of the money away from the people..." for the benefit of the many rather than the individual". Perhaps I have absorbed the propaganda...I dunno. I also get disturbed when you get so angry at the "republicans". They understand that one cannot simply print money in order to rectify social inequality. Their sin is the belief in Trickle Down economics...which never works due to basic human nature.

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“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Percy
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Message 409 of 773 (889548)
12-03-2021 4:01 PM
Reply to: Message 395 by Phat
12-03-2021 10:42 AM


Re: Darker Future For USA
You are again confused, but so is Psaki, and so are a lot of other people. Here are some facts:
  • We don't know why there's been a sudden spurt of group smash-and-grab robberies lately.
  • It isn't limited to California.
  • It isn't shoplifting.
  • It isn't caused by the pandemic.
  • Those apprehended won't face shoplifting charges. They'll face charges such as robbery, conspiracy, burglary, assault, possession of stolen property and weapons charges.
The most perplexing thing is how many people think this is shoplifting - the news calls it shoplifting all the time. But a shoplifter is a thief pretending to be a customer. Once you do anything like put on a mask or stuff items into bags or smash glass display cases you've dropped any pretense of being a customer. And the idea that increasing the felony threshold in California is responsible for something that's happened in multiple states and countries is absolutely ludicrous. But conservatives, or at least Fox News, repeats these tropes all day long. And, apparently, you swallow them whole without an ounce of critical thinking.
It's an interesting idea that if you overwhelm store security you can just take whatever you want and get away with it, but the more people involved the more likely some will be caught, and each perpetrator is responsible for everything stolen, not just what he stole individually. This makes this approach to stealing, which draws a great deal attention, seem like a bad idea that disappear as fast as it appeared. Take the Nordstrom case, for example, where about $200,000 merchandise was stolen. At least three were captured. They'll be charged with stealing $200,000, interviewed by detectives and prosecutors, and offered deals for identifying other participants who when apprehended will also be charged with stealing $200,000.
Phat writes:
Of course, a lot of you will say that Fox News portrays the ideological battle between conservatives and liberals in a clearly biased fashion.
The Fox Business story made all the factual errors I listed above. You should not cite any Fox story without independent confirmation. Also, recall what I've told you before, that you shouldn't be getting your information about the evils of one political party from the other political party. You keep repeating this mistake. Find multiple, reliable and independent sources of information. You're the only one of us coming in here and repeating lies about one of the political parties. I'd like to think it's because the rest of us are all fine upstanding intelligent people, but it could be because there's no liberal propaganda machine that takes its lead from a psychopathic liar.
Ringo will bray on about helping the "least of these" as if people committing criminal acts are simply victims of a racist society.
You have a nasty habit of misrepresenting what people say. Ringo hasn't said anything about leniency for perpetrators of crime sprees, but he's definitely against anger and vengeance, which seems to be where you're coming from.
California may be "woke"...
I think California is mostly only described as "woke" when described by conservatives. I've only heard the term used sarcastically or critically.
To be honest, I know that I am coming across as a heartless a*hole,...
You're not coming across as one - you're proving you are one.
...but my concerns regarding lawlessness and crime are not racist rants.
Sure they are. Just above you accused Ringo of defending criminals as victims of racism, so apparently you assumed the perpetrators were black. That's an example of your racism in action.
They are based on common sense values which this country now tiptoes around for fear of offending anybody.
You conservatives aren't doing any tiptoeing at all. You loudly express your racist attitudes in one breath, then claim it isn't racism in the next. You're not fooling anyone: you're racists.
What I am saying is that we the people are heading towards a lawless atheistic society,...
You should look things up before putting your fingers in gear. Here are crime statistics in several categories up through 2019:
Crime is down in multiple categories across the aboard. So you're wrong. Again.
...and that what you see as the solutions are nothing more than gasoline being thrown on a fire.
You believe crime is increasing because the conservative media is telling you lies. When are you going to wise up?
Reparations do not mean that people should look the other way when a crime is clearly being committed.
Again, you have a very nasty habit of misrepresenting what people say. Not a single person here has said anything like this.
What people *have* said is that we need to seek better approaches than the anger and vengeance you're preaching. For example, better to provide assistance to the poor to develop productive citizens than to just let them rot in rural or urban ghettos that breed crime.
--Percy

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Phat
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Message 410 of 773 (889549)
12-03-2021 4:37 PM
Reply to: Message 406 by xongsmith
12-03-2021 2:52 PM


Re: Darker Future For USA
Though Rebecca has a point, she focuses on vilifying the corporate people and ignoring the crime on the street. When will woke people like her quit coddling blue-collar crime?

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Message 411 of 773 (889550)
12-03-2021 4:50 PM
Reply to: Message 410 by Phat
12-03-2021 4:37 PM


Re: Darker Future For USA
Again Phat; what the hell does that have to do with anything anyone here has said?

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Percy
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Message 412 of 773 (889551)
12-03-2021 5:25 PM
Reply to: Message 401 by Phat
12-03-2021 11:01 AM


Re: Darker Future For USA
Phat writes:
jar writes:
Are the people that committed the mass smash & grabs being sought by the police?
Yes, thanks to modern technology some have been caught. I wish technology could catch all of them.
I didn't hear about this - what modern technology?
Have any of them been caught, tried, and found innocent because they were victims?
Not to my knowledge. Quit calling me an idiot just because I lean conservative at times.
If anyone thinks you an idiot it has nothing to do with conservatism. There's nothing wrong with conservatism. I'm half and half myself, a social liberal and a financial conservative.
But you're not really a conservative. If we call you a conservative it's only because you're on that side of the conservative/liberal divide, but more precisely you're a far right-wing conspiracy theory loving nut job.
You and others will find out soon enough that the progressives never will run everything and that there are two sides to every story.
Why do you keep accusing people here of having opinions they never express? You could only be hearing these opinions somewhere else, not here. You're probably getting them from the right-wing media you listen to, with the result that everything you think you know about liberalism is wrong.
Quit burying your heads in the sands of ideology and imagining that the world would be a better place if you got rid of the other side.
Good God, who here has ever said they want to get rid of conservatives? I guess we'd very much like the nut jobs on the right to go away, like those pushing the conspiracy theory that the election was stolen, or claiming our elections aren't fair and honest or that Q is an accurate source of information or that the January 6th insurrection was actually a false flag operation by liberals or that masks don't work or that vaccines cause more deaths than the virus and so on. There's a seemingly endless supplly of right wing nut job conspiracy theories.
I certainly realize that we need both conservatives and liberals.
Good to know.
Maybe you need to learn the same reality.
You are again attributing to us things we have never said.
--Percy

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Message 413 of 773 (889552)
12-03-2021 8:25 PM
Reply to: Message 408 by Phat
12-03-2021 3:38 PM


Re: Mandatory Empathy and Government Control
High blood sugars aside, my rants stem from my fears.
Yes, we can see that (we can see the fear).
The right wing propagandists stir up your fears, and that is how they control you. They get you to act on fear instead of acting on reason.
I am scared of an economic collapse,
Yes, we see that too. But recent history shows that the Republicans crash the economy and the Democrats step in to rescue it. Yet your fears cause you to vote for the Republicans.
but I am more scared of the government taking control of the money away from the people..."
The Republicans want to take your money and give it to the very rich. They want to kill social security, so that more can go to the very rich. They want to kill medicare so that more can go to the very rich.
Yet your fear causes you to vote for Republicans.
If the Democrats ever do any wealth redistribution, it is likely that they will take something from the very rich and give it to people like you.
You are driven by fear to vote against your own best interests.
We are only trying to persuade you to look at evidence and think for yourself, instead of allowing the right wing propagandists to control you with their fear mongering.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 414 of 773 (889553)
12-03-2021 9:05 PM
Reply to: Message 320 by dwise1
08-20-2021 7:29 PM


Re: Darker Future For USA
I was in high school from 1991 to 1995.
I had a checklist, under the title "How do you know you are a racist?".
(Skipping most points, but they were roughly 10 to 12 total)
"You oppose NAFTA" was one.
(I don't want to use my exact poster words, so allow me to deviate)
"You only buy 'Made in the USA' "
You try to 'Buy Local' "
I disagree with your idea that buying local is somehow anti-racist.
(You economics are off too, but that is another story)
Question:
If a native Hawaiian tells a migrant, "You flew here, we grew here", then is that possibly a statement against racism or for racism? I knew homeless people who tried Hawaii out, and they said the hatred for migrants is just unreal. From both the poor, and non poor.

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Percy
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Message 415 of 773 (889554)
12-04-2021 11:12 AM
Reply to: Message 410 by Phat
12-03-2021 4:37 PM


Re: Darker Future For USA
Adam Grant is an organizational psychologist and a professor at the Wharton School. In this 18 minute podcast he's interviewed by Manoush Zomorodi of NPR's Ted Radio Hour. This weekly program distills Ted Talk presentations through interviews with their presenters.
The subject of this one is changing your mind and its advantages. The main lesson is that we're better off if our minds are open to learning new things, including rethinking current views.
Facts underpin, or should, any discussion, and this Ted Talk style presentation, a bit more theoretical, is about what is a fact: Justin Lewis-Weber: What Makes a Fact? | TED Talk
Where I could find no help is for whatever is causing your many confusings, misaprehensions and misunderstandings. The number of times you've accused us of believing things we've never expressed is bewildering, as if you can't tell the difference between accusations against liberals from a video and what liberals actually say on an EvC Forum webpage. I could find no advice for fixing a brain that doesn't work right.
--Percy

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Message 416 of 773 (889555)
12-04-2021 11:19 AM
Reply to: Message 408 by Phat
12-03-2021 3:38 PM


Re: Mandatory Empathy and Government Control
Phat writes:
Seniority is colorblind.
Not really. It's like the old complaint: "How can I get hired without experience and how can I get experience without getting hired?"
"How can I keep my job without seniority and how can I get seniority without a job?"
Phat writes:
It saddens me that politics becomes the standard and that America has become so polarized and divided.
To borrow a thought from FDR: Fear of polarization may be worse than polarization itself.
Phat writes:
Yes, I watch Fox News. I also watch CNN, NBC, and even BBC and Al Jazeera at times.
I watch none of those. And I religiously avoid YouTube. The last thing I remember watching on YouTube was The Abominable Dr. Phibes ten years ago or so.
Phat writes:
I believe in listening to differing views in order to get the pulse of ALL people....
You feed your confirmation bias. You're like a creationist skimming through scientific articles looking for quotes that "prove" evolution is impossible.
Phat writes:
I feel as if I am not being understood.
You're being understood all too well.
Phat writes:
One cannot simply throw money at a problem and fix it.
That's a cute catch phrase. You'd need a pretty wide bumper for it though.
So, what else do governments have to throw besides money?

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Phat
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Message 417 of 773 (889556)
12-04-2021 1:00 PM
Reply to: Message 416 by ringo
12-04-2021 11:19 AM


Racism Is Not A One Way Street
I listen to Peter Schiff, whom Percy has already judged solely on the fact that Irwin Schiff was his father. Schiff is knowledgeable about the economy and is usually right. On one of his podcasts from a couple of weeks ago, he addressed the Kyle Rittenhouse verdict and mentioned a few key observations regarding public reaction to it.
The Devil You Know Is Still A Devil Episode 753.
quote:

  • Biden reappoints #Powell as Fed Chairman and promotes #Brainard to Vice Chair.
  • Gold sells off and dollar rises on Fed news.
  • Investors worried about inflation under Powell two days ago now celebrate Powell’s reappointment.
  • Generation of entitled American socialists don’t think stealing is wrong.
  • MSNBC promotes racism.
  • Law-abiding citizens don’t use cars or guns to kill people.
  • Yes, this is some of the conservative "propaganda" which I listen to.
    Trying to be critical of my own biases, I concluded the following from listening to this and other shows.
  • The cries to buy gold and silver are being generated mainly by wealthy people. I conclude that the wealthy people are strongly against inflating the US Dollar as that action threatens their wealth. The US Dollar competes directly with the historical discipline of precious metals, being the premier global reserve fiat currency. The progressives see no problem as they actually want the wealthy to pay their "fair share" even though inflation is a "hidden tax" and will affect ALL of us. Perhaps they (the progressives) see no other way to get blood out of a conservative turnip.
    What jumped out at me from this episode, however, was the double standard regarding Kyle Rittenhouse (who happens to be white) vs the man who drove a car through a crowd several days later (who happens to be black). Schiff also touches on the California thefts and the double standard regarding the entitlement mentality of whites(like myself) and how it is addressed versus what he sees as an entitlement mentality against the progressive whites and people of color (which many see as justifiable reparations).
    Schiff commented on the Rittenhouse verdict at 41:05. (open transcript)
    Of course, many progressives will claim that Schiff too is racist yet would defend the riots in Kenosha as justifiable. 42:00 onward
    The progressive commentators saw the Rittenhouse verdict as a "victory for white people" and Schiff commented that was Fox News to say the same things against Black people that the commentators said about Rittenhouse they would have been fired.
    What saved Rittenhouse was that the 3 people whom he shot were white.
    So why was his verdict seen as racist?

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
    - Criss Jami, Killo

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    Phat
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    Message 418 of 773 (889557)
    12-04-2021 1:10 PM
    Reply to: Message 416 by ringo
    12-04-2021 11:19 AM


    Re: Mandatory Empathy and Government Control
    So, what else do governments have to throw besides money?
    The point is the mandate which that government has been given. If you and the rest of EvC vote in a spend-happy government then I have no say as to where my tax dollars go and no say on whether taxes will in fact increase for me.
    Granted you would have no say on whether a conservative government would award tax breaks to the wealthy.
    It seems that Jerome Powell (who retracted his previous statement that inflation was transitory) and Jaanet Yellin, the Treasury Secretary agree on far too many things.
    Let it also be known that the Fed will NOT bother fighting inflation. They will instead continue fighting to preserve the US Dollar.(even at inflated values)
    The progressives have no problem keeping our currency intact regardless of its absolute value.
    Lately, I have observed that many of the proponents of precious metals investing are already wealthy. They want to get out of the dollar. The progressives, by contrast, want to keep it and ride out the inflation...in the hopes that the wealthy will be forced to share the inflation tax that will result.

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
    - Criss Jami, Killo

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    nwr
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    Message 419 of 773 (889558)
    12-04-2021 1:50 PM
    Reply to: Message 417 by Phat
    12-04-2021 1:00 PM


    Re: Racism Is Not A One Way Street
    Oh Phat, you are so foolish.
    I did not watch that video. I did read the bullet points that you quoted, and they did not impress me. As jar keeps telling you, what matter is content rather than the source.
    I conclude that the wealthy people are strongly against inflating the US Dollar as that action threatens their wealth.
    I'm retired. I am against inflation, because my pension won't keep up.
    As far as I know, there are several retired people who post here, and probably have a similar view of inflation. But, unlike you, we are not in panic about it.
    The progressives see no problem as they actually want the wealthy to pay their "fair share" even though inflation is a "hidden tax" and will affect ALL of us.
    This is bullshit. Progressives do not want inflation.
    From one of your bulletpoints:
    Generation of entitled American socialists don’t think stealing is wrong.
    This is also bullshit.
    Firstly, most progressives are not socialists. Secondly, many progressives see free market capitalism as theft, and they do see that theft as wrong.
    From your subsequent response to ringo
    If you and the rest of EvC vote in a spend-happy government then I have no say as to where my tax dollars go and no say on whether taxes will in fact increase for me.
    You still don't get it. Trump and the Republicans were the spend-happy government.
    Yes, Trump gave you a tiny tax cut. He threw you a bone, hoping that you wouldn't notice that you will be paying higher taxes for the rest of your life because of Trump's tax give away to the wealthy.

    Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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    Message 420 of 773 (889560)
    12-04-2021 2:01 PM
    Reply to: Message 417 by Phat
    12-04-2021 1:00 PM


    Re: Racism Is Not A One Way Street
    Schiff commented on the Rittenhouse verdict at 41:05.
    I forgot to comment on that, so I'll add that as another reply.
    I think Rittenhouse acted foolishly. I do not know whether he is racist. I have no opinion on whether the trial was racist, but perhaps the jury selection might be where to look for that.
    If you want my detailed opinion on the trial, then check my blog post on that topic. In short, I respect the jury verdict.

    Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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