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jar Member (Idle past 156 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: As for the charge that they claimed to be Christians, that is irrelevant. It is not what one claims but what one does. You guys even taught me that! No Phat; can you NEVER actually learn what others say? Of course, they can be Christians. Being a Christian or Not a Christian has absolutely nothing to do with what someone does. To be a Christian all one needs is to be a member of any one of the chapters of Club Christian. There is no evidence that the membership of a Christian has ANYTHING to do with either following what Jesus is written to have taught or even the lowest level of morality and honesty. The evidence does show that a vast body of Christians and Christianity do not exhibit what Jesus is written to have taught or even the lowest level of morality and honesty. Edited by jar, : missing theMy Website: My Website
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jar Member (Idle past 156 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: Same with jars' observation that had the US helped the world (they)would have been better off. Never mind that many of "them" use our own weapons against us. Would they use our weapons against us if instead of giving them weapons we had fed, clothed, comforted, healed, sheltered and loved them?My Website: My Website
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jar Member (Idle past 156 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Phat writes: 1)Jar claims that the US *should* have helped rebuild Viet Nam and other places. Does he not realize that by lifting up the trading partners there would be direct competition for the American worker? And the sad fact is, we cannot compete. Their work ethic and willingness to work harder for less would have beaten our own native populists and uneducated workers domestically. It is not mainly the altruism that I am opposed to. It is the lack of similar concern for our own first. No Phat, once again you continue to lie about what others say. We should not have fucked up all those other nations in the first place. We should have accepted the democratically determined will of the people of Iran, Iraq, Vietnam, Thailand, Cambodia, China, Colombia, Cuba, Dominican Republic, ... the list goes on and on; and allowed those nations to determine their own forms of Government instead of stepping in and trying to force OUR desired government on them. We should have given them aid instead of guns. Remember Phat, if it were not for the work ethic of all of those other nations you would not even have a job. It is their produce and their products that you put on YOUR shelves. Period! If we have uneducated workers would not it make more sense to educate them than to send them off to get killed for no valid reason at all? And finally, how exactly can a worker with a good work ethic and willingness to work harder than you that is in Vietnam or Irag or Iran or Cuba beat down a worker in the US? Christ Phat; are you totally incapable of even the most simple thought processes?My Website: My Website
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jar Member (Idle past 156 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You look at what the vote tally was just as you should do even in nations as backwards as the US.
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jar Member (Idle past 156 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: jar writes:
FULL STOP. Do you mean to suggest that our tax dollars should have gone overseas? Though I suppose that they already do indirectly through the BEAST that is the military-industrial complex! We should have accepted the democratically determined will of the people of Iran, Iraq, Vietnam, Thailand, Cambodia, China, Colombia, Cuba, Dominican Republic, ... the list goes on and on; and allowed those nations to determine their own forms of Government instead of stepping in and trying to force OUR desired government on them. We should have given them aid instead of guns.![]() Of course, we should invest or tax dollars overseas rather than spend those very same (and in fact many more tax dollars) fighting utterly stupid wars. Investing in things that benefit people is always a better choice than investing in things that will hurt everyone. Think Phat, try to think. Learn history. Stop listening to the liars and con artists that appear to be your sources. Stop placing SOURCE over content. Throw your God and god and Jesus away, especially your Jesus which is nothing but a shibboleth. You refuse to pay any attention to what the Bible claims Jesus said and commanded anyway. You don't have a clue about Jesus and simply use JESUS as a way to avoid doing what YOU need to do. The world isn't screwed up; it is just that a population that has been taught to NOT think keeps making the same dumb mistakes over and over and over again because the place SOURCE over content, BELIEF over evidence and IGNORANCE over knowledge. What is screwed up is YOU and the millions like you who have decided to remain willfully ignorant.My Website: My Website
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jar Member (Idle past 156 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Phat writes: One example of a failed liberal attempt at reparations from the past was Affirmative Action. In what sick fantasy world was affirmative action a failure or reverse dicscrimination?My Website: My Website
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jar Member (Idle past 156 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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How did it punish qualified employees Phat?
And do you have any concept of what Christianity requires of us when it comes to our manifold sins and inequities? Basics Phat. Just saying 'Too bad ... but I it's not MY fault' is not enough. We are required to attempt to make amends. Affirmative action NEVER punished a qualified employee, but it did give a chance to tens of thousands of people who had been denied any opportunities for education or a job or housing. That is not reverse discrimination.My Website: My Website
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jar Member (Idle past 156 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You truly are an utter idiot Phat.
Are the people that committed the mass smash & grabs being sought by the police? Have any of them been caught, tried and found innocent because they were vitims? Reality Phat. Stop paying attention to liars and conmen.My Website: My Website
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jar Member (Idle past 156 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Phat writes: Quit calling me an idiot just because I lean conservative at times. You and others will find out soon enough that the progressives never will run everything and that there are two sides to every story. Quit burying your heads in the sands of ideology and imagining that the world would be a better place if you got rid of the other side. I certainly realize that we need both conservatives and liberals. Maybe you need to learn the same reality. Stop lying Phat. I call you an idiot because you keep posting idiotic nonsense. If it walks like an idiot and posts like an idiot it is almost certainly an idiot. I am a conservative. But I am NOT a Fascist. I support the concept that we should have a government of the people, by the people and for the people. All the people and that means providing for the least of these our brothers. I have NEVER suggested getting rid of 'the other side' whatever that absurdity means. I have never tried to stop you from posting really stupid idiotic crap. Stop and honestly read the stuff you've been posting. Look at how often you have retracted your comments only to immediately repost the very same absurdities. You need to seriously stop and actually address your health and mental wellbeing.My Website: My Website
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jar Member (Idle past 156 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Again Phat; what the hell does that have to do with anything anyone here has said?
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jar Member (Idle past 156 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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I find it interesting that I, as a gun carrying US citizen I (and quite a few of the gun owners with whom I associate) think that the verdict in the Rittenhouse trial was correct.
The fact that there even was a Rittenhouse trial though is an example of the racism in the US today and of the continuing White Privilege. Had Rittenhouse been black it's very unlikely he would have lived through the night and not been executed by the police right then and there. But wait, there's more. As a gun owning and gun carrying US citizen I have never and would never go armed to a protest. Rittenhouse behaved like the kid whose brain has never developed yet and who has never been taught morality or how to even think. He is an unfortunate product of the abysmal state of US education. What he did was simply stupid and an indication of his complete and total immaturity.My Website: My Website
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jar Member (Idle past 156 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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As usual you simply lie. That is a defining characteristic of today's so called "Biblical Christians".
Yes, I know who Michael Byrd is and yes, the name actually did make the news but sometime after his heroic act. And he murdered no one and Ashli Babbitt was a very stupid person who was in the act of trying to enter a restricted area even after being warned repeatedly. She was not a rioter or looter but rather a terrorist and was justifiably shot. AbE: Marc, you are the perfect example of the biggest threat that the US faces; that portion of our population that places BELIEF over evidence, FANTASY over reality and SOURCE over content. You and Phat and unfortunately millions of others are simply incapable or unwilling to make evidence-based judgements. You and Phat and unfortunately millions of others are simply living totally divorced from all reality, honesty and morality. You and Phat and unfortunately millions of others are simply to be feared and yet pitied. You and Phat and unfortunately millions of others are free to post your fantasies and even vote based on your fantasies, but reality is still a factor, and your path can only lead to pain, suffering, disaster, racism, fascism and deaths. You and Phat and unfortunately millions of others are a threat and so need to be labeled as such and your lies exposed and publicized. Edited by jar, : see AbEMy Website: My Website
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jar Member (Idle past 156 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: I cautiously agree with some reservations.. "very unlikely" is an overstatement. You make it seem as if most police are racist and that most blacks get shot. It may well be ok to label overall justice as racist, but to label it as an example of white privilege is unfair to white people. Bullshit Phat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It definitely IS white privilege, and the evidence does show that blacks are far more likely to suffer from police brutality. I do not believe that MOST police are racist but firmly believe that in general police enforcement as well as the US justice system is racist. And simply look at the prison population for direct evidence of the above.My Website: My Website
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jar Member (Idle past 156 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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If he had been black Phat his live would have most likely ended long before any possible trial; in-fact within seconds of shooting anyone. It's only because he was white that he was able to walk through the police lines to eventually be charged.
White Privilege saved his ass. And the fact that so many blacks lack education and opportunity is again evidence of white privilege but it's far more than that. The evidence of prison populations shows that blacks are found guilty of almost every type of crime at rates far higher than whites. And yes, it will take many decades if even possible to eliminate racism from our police forces and from the legal system. Phat, read what you write. Stop and think.My Website: My Website
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jar Member (Idle past 156 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined:
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I'm old and so have memory issues so please feel free to correct my recollections.
Wasn't the Capitol Building closed to the general public that day? Weren't there barricades and police that had to be overwhelmed before any of the insurrectionists could enter the Capitol? Weren't the doors and windows at the Capitol closed and locked to keep the insurrectionists out that day? Wasn't the door at the scene of the shooting closed and barricaded to keep the insurrectionists out that day? Wasn't the window in that door smashed by the insurrectionists that day? Wasn't Babbit shot as she tried to climb through that broken window? Sorry but the facts and reality seem to show that Ashli Babbit was not just stupid but ignored at least five prior warnings; any of which would have made police shooting justified in instances where the warnings were ignored. Edited by jar, : fix grammarEdited by jar, : fix sub-title Edited by jar, : all of which ---> any of which My Website: My Website
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