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Author Topic:   Am I the only one who believes in God?
Catalyst
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Message 10 of 44 (88958)
02-26-2004 11:20 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by mark24
12-12-2001 7:43 PM


An interesting piece of information that is a bit off the topic:
According to the Bible God created the Tree of knowledge, aka the Tree of Good and Evil, saying to adam that it was wrong to eat from it as it would give him morality which would end up certainly killing him,
when god tells adam not to eat from the tree isnt god already giving Adam the knowledge of good and evil? thus creating it in humans!
Why were humans expelled and damned into eternal sin etc etc for something God had already given them?
I believe in God but i dont believe in a literal bible like fundementalist Christians.
How can the bible be taken literally?

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Catalyst
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Message 12 of 44 (88963)
02-26-2004 11:41 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Phat
02-26-2004 11:35 PM


Re: Free Will and the Tree..here we go again
ah but is not doind what God says Evil? therefore God introduced the concept of good and evil to adam, what god says is good if you go against it your actions must be evil!

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Catalyst
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Message 18 of 44 (89229)
02-28-2004 7:36 AM


so by your logic phatboy, God is not all powerful because He did not create everything, and if He did not create everything how can He be everywhere as everything has to be made of him, If He is the ALL heavenly FATHER then everything has to have originated from him.

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Catalyst
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Message 26 of 44 (89456)
02-29-2004 7:39 PM


Your analogy of the painter is some what lacking, Phatboy, when a person paints a picture sure they do not leave any physical remnents of them in/on the picture (unless its some new age weirdo art) but the picture is a part of them, just as a child to its parents, from idea/ thought to action/ creation it originated from the painter, it is the painters, its part of the painter in a deeper sense than the physical literal sense your talking about!
Is not the trinity a pantheism, or are you taking a different meaning of the word? i am not spliting god into a belief in multiple god heads, i am merely saying that God has to be both evil and good, balanced, i believe that god is all loving, but from the so called "evil" act that occur God has something to teach each of us, about ourselves, others, the world, Himself. Does not God reveal himself to us in strange and wonderful ways? Why is it so hard to believe that the concept of "evil" is a human one, and that really it is Gods will, using both "evil" and "good" to teach, and give wonderous gifts to the soul of each of his creations. Dont we learn from bad experiences?
Your also saying that because God did not create evil, but created freewill in us, that god created us with the capacity for "evil" that up until that time did not exist ... unless he created it! How can everything not be part of God? ALL MIGHTY FATHER, all: everything, everywhere, all knowing etc, mighty: the greatest, nothing grander, best, highest etc, father: relating to creation, children, ideas, concepts, origin!
If God did not want us to have evil, then why do we have it? Answer because he wants it! He uses it, but not in our sense of it.
Fallen angels?! So then by your concept, God must have made a mistake when he made these angels, as they turned to "evil".
Or is it that it was part of His plan? He is using them, as they are part of him.
How can something exist that God did not create, did not intend to use, did not intend to be? Cause if there was such a thing, why would He (being all powerful and all loving) continue to let that thing exist? Or is He not all powerful? Maybe he only has that kind of power, when using it to destroy his creations like he did in the old testimate! Maybe!

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Catalyst
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Message 30 of 44 (89651)
03-01-2004 7:26 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by 1.61803
03-01-2004 11:36 AM


Re: Great post Catalyst.
Thats was what i was getting at, because God created freewill, he also created the things that come with it, albeit that these are things that evolved out of human minds/interpretation, utltimatly u cannot say what is evil and what is good.
I liked your analogy of what used to be ok might be abhored now, i like the example of slavery, as i do not take the bible to be literal truth for today, i cannot understand how people can c the bible as being literally what u have to do/be ~ quite obviosly we do condone slavery nowadays and the majority of nations around the world are totally against it, but the bible literally condones slavery and the bad treatment of the slaves, How can this be taken as the literal word of God?
[This message has been edited by Catalyst, 03-01-2004]

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