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Tanypteryx
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Message 451 of 773 (889604)
12-06-2021 4:07 PM
Reply to: Message 450 by PaulK
12-06-2021 3:54 PM


I like that one!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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marc9000
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Message 452 of 773 (889606)
12-07-2021 7:36 PM
Reply to: Message 445 by PaulK
12-06-2021 12:35 AM


Re: Racism Is Not A One Way Street
I suppose you mean “truth bomb” to be a bomb that destroys the truth?
It doesn't destroy the truth to point out facts, like Michael Byrd is black, is still alive, not lynched.
And it’s funny how you equate telling the truth with rage.
DrJones writes:
of course a pig fucker like you would support a traitor.
Since I'm hated here, and this guy is on your "side", you don't see that as rage I guess. But I don't have pigs, and never get near farms.
Really? How many of them [black riots]were about violently overturning an election?
I don't know what was in their minds, but breaking into one building hardly can be twisted into an attempt to "overturn an election".
In how many were the lives of the legislators at risk?
In Seattle, the lives of anyone near that courthouse or police station were at risk.
It was a secured area. She was at the head of a violent mob. Unlike George Floyd who was already restrained and alone. How exactly were the security force meant to stop her and the mob without using firearms?
You should ask Percy that one, he doesn't believe police should have guns. Maybe a bigger security force, manpower, tear gas, there are many other ways, especially if few, or none of the mob was armed. If they displayed arms, then yes, shoot them. Babbitt didn't display arms.
What makes you think that there wasn’t an investigation?
The fact that I've never heard of it, combined with the fact that no one here has linked me to the details and results of it.
What makes you think there should have been a trial? There are plenty of police shootings that don’t lead to trials.
And there are plenty that do, especially when the shooter is white and the shootee is black. This was a high profile, unusual case, that got a lot of public attention. A lot of people would have liked answers.
Shooting into a crowd? The way I heard it Babbitt was the first one through - the “crowd” were still the other side of the door.
And you heard it wrong. Everyone was on the other side of the door. She was targeted, he took careful aim at her BEFORE she went through the door. She never made it through the door.
marc9000 writes:
Maybe shooting into a crowd of white people didn't bother him too much. In reading about him, I see he's very proud, claimed he "saved a lot of lives". He's a hero to many, there seems to always be celebrations when a black kills a white, and pays no price for it. (O.J. Simpson, one example)
At least we know for sure that you’re a racist - and probably a White Supremacist.
And at least we know that when you can't address a point, you resort to name calling.

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marc9000
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Message 453 of 773 (889607)
12-07-2021 7:46 PM
Reply to: Message 446 by AZPaul3
12-06-2021 9:01 AM


Re: Racism Is Not A One Way Street
marc9000 writes:
Of course there are no memorials to white, dope-head crooks, like there are for George Floyd.
How many of them were illegally publicly executed by police?
By black policemen? Who knows, it's seldom reported by the news media!
quote:
Putting together a comprehensive list of black-on-white crime is a difficult task for two, superficially contradictory, reasons: 1) There is so much of it. 2) There is so little reporting on it. I doubt there is a day that goes by in the United States without at least dozens of instances of blacks assaulting, robbing, and/or defacing the property of whites. Yet, if all you’re reading is the New York Times, you might guess that crime of that sort takes place half a dozen times a year at most. But, if you start to dig through local news sources, and discover the code words used to discuss black crime (e.g. “youths”), the ocean of write-ups becomes overwhelming. Indeed, American Renaissance has nearly one thousand news items tagged “Black on White Crime,” while Paul Kersey has well over 3,000 blog posts about the matter.
The Brutal Reality of Black on White Crime - American Renaissance
Executed for what? Passing a fake bill? Murder? Rape? Being ornery? What major crime did Floyd commit that deserved the death penalty?
Why the execution?
The jury decided that case, I never took exception to it. The white policeman is going to pay for it for most of the rest of his life. That's not good enough for you?
Injustices like this deserve the social spotlight. A memorial against this type of government organized crime is more than appropriate.
"Government organized crime" - memorials for black crooks, I've heard it all now.

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Message 454 of 773 (889608)
12-07-2021 7:49 PM
Reply to: Message 453 by marc9000
12-07-2021 7:46 PM


Re: Racism Is Not A One Way Street
Great, you provide a link to a white supremist group, it defines your lack of character.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 455 of 773 (889609)
12-07-2021 8:00 PM


Told ya!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


  
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Message 456 of 773 (889610)
12-07-2021 8:13 PM
Reply to: Message 452 by marc9000
12-07-2021 7:36 PM


Re: Racism Is Not A One Way Street
Since I'm hated here, and this guy is on your "side", you don't see that as rage I guess. But I don't have pigs, and never get near farms
it's not rage, it's contempt. You're not a threat, you're a joke.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
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marc9000
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Message 457 of 773 (889611)
12-07-2021 9:07 PM
Reply to: Message 447 by Percy
12-06-2021 2:39 PM


Re: Racism Is Not A One Way Street
Marc, you're back, I should have known, I thought I detected a stench.
Just a few more truth bombs on this Pearl Harbor day, then I might make like some birds and get the flock out of here, as has been suggested to me before.
We'll have to start calling you Sheldon.
I understand, name calling is what the far left tends to do when its position has little logic.
I guess you're the only one here for amusement while everyone else is enraged by your insightful observations. I thought we were only incredulous and appalled,
Incredulous and appalled? Your tiny liberal cocoon is THAT tiny? I think you've said you watch Fox News Sunday sometimes with Chris Wallace. Is that the only time you come out into the real world and see what's actually going on? When Wallace has a conservative guest on, do you immediately turn it off?
but if you say we're in a rage then I guess we are
Please don't guess, READ!
DrJones writes:
of course a pig fucker like you would support a traitor.
jar writes:
As usual you simply lie. That is a defining characteristic of today's so called "Biblical Christians".
marc9000 writes:
Why does no one, particularly you, not call him on some of these things? It's no longer 1880, police don't lynch blacks any longer.
What an incredibly accurate reading of what jar said!! You are just so astute! If you're looking for my reaction to that part of the discussion, just look at my message that appears immediately before yours. I even quoted the exact same words from jar. Gotta hand it to you, your powers of observation are unmatched.
quote:
While jar and I have different opinions, I don't see how anything he said suggests "that most blacks get shot."

You analyzed what Phat said about jar's statement, and then defended jar's statement. (that white police always discriminate)
marc9000 writes:
If Byrd would have been white, and Babbitt would have been black, do you think there would have been a trial?
Wow, flipping the races, what an inspirational coup! Uh, could you explain the logic behind this one?
Yes, I'll bold it for you; it can help expose reverse discrimination, it can help expose a new danger to the well being of the U.S. - BLACK SUPREMACY. Building monuments to honor black crooks.
Ah, Marc, you got me, I made it up. That's just the kind of thing I do all the time, make things up. I'm sure this link is made up, don't bother clicking on it:'She was deep into it': Ashli Babbitt, killed in Capitol riot, was devoted conspiracy theorist. And if you do click on it then especially don't read the third paragraph, because what are the odds it's the very paragraph I quoted? Zero, right? 'Cause I always lie. You know what would be really ironic is if that link took you to the very same news source that you cited yourself, The Guardian. But, naw, what are the odds of that happening?
Conspiracy theorist - yes, deserving of death! Unless you were a Trump/Russian collusion conspiracy theorist, then you were a patriotic American! Even after it was proven a lie by a 2 year investigation. If somebody wanted to trumpet a fake tweet from Babbitt, (big-tech Twitter, the same big tech that banned a sitting Republican president from using its platform) I have no doubt that Jack Dorsey could easily come up with all the proof necessary. But she probably did tweet that, did it deserve death? Trump hating liberals tend to get pretty nasty on Twitter a time or two, wouldn't you say?
On a more serious note, I've stopped providing links for information that most everyone knows already or that at least is so ubiquitous that anyone can find it with a simple Google search.
So forum rule #4 needs to be revised now?
Just so astute, Marc, absolutely remarkable. The possibility of a weapon not being visible, what are the chances of that, right? There could be no weapon in her backpack or a coat pocket or pants pocket. It would have been perfectly safe to let her through the smashed glass and walk among members of the House of Representatives. Of course she would have had to look under chairs to find them.
So now, instead of saying police shouldn't have guns, you're now saying that police should be allowed to shoot only if they SUSPECT a weapon, not if they actually see one?
Seriously again for one paragraph, as you'd know if you'd read my stuff, I am against almost all officers (and everyone else) having guns.
Yes I know, your drastic flip-flops are impossible to keep up with.
Yeah, that's it, you got it, he shot into a crowd, despite what you can see on video. We don't want you to have any doubts that you are absolutely right, so be sure not to view this video, especially at time 1:39: Video Shows Fatal Shooting of Ashli Babbitt at U.S. Capitol (sorry, couldn't embed it)
Yes, I watched it. He took careful aim at HER, a crowd was behind her, she hadn't crossed into the other room. She was in a room with a crowd. Were you hoping I wouldn't watch the video?
Right you are, Marc. That Michael Byrd, just a cold blooded killer.
Very good, even you can sometimes be right when you're trying to be sarcastic.
marc9000 writes:
In reading about him, I see he's very proud, claimed he "saved a lot of lives". He's a hero to many, there seems to always be celebrations when a black kills a white, and pays no price for it. (O.J. Simpson, one example)
Yep, no racism in your family, you got it all.
Very good, another non answer when you don't have one. I get my information from a lot of sources, I apply logic to what is said, and come to the same conclusions that most Republicans do. Here is a partial list of somewhat prominent people, some present, some past, a couple of them now dead. I have the utmost respect for all of them.
Candace Owens
Condoleezza Rice
Alan Keys
Ben Carson
Larry Elder
J.C. Watts
Herman Cain
Clarence Thomas
Armstrong Williams
Thomas Sowell
Star Parker
Walter Williams
Angela McGlowan
Ken Blackwell
Allen West
Winsome Sears
Tim Scott
Leo Terrell
Lawrence Jones
They all have one thing in common, care to take a guess at what it is?
Yeah, exactly, you got that right, Jack. It's no biggie that Michael Byrd's in hiding because of threats from all the far right wing nuts.
In hiding? He's been in hiding since January 6th, and now in December, he still is? If you say so.
Just so discerning, Marc, realizing that a gun discharging all by itself and shooting a bullet into the air that kills someone are both freak accidents. But strangely enough, the guy who fired the round into the air was charged with manslaughter.
Here's another "freak accident" for you. Over a half century ago a woman driving on a New York expressway was hit by a random bullet and died. A detective figured it out. A couple men out in the harbor were taking potshots at debris in the water. One bullet caromed off the water and on toward the expressway. The man was charged with manslaughter for this "freak accident."
Musta been a white guy. Mike Edwards, a celloist for the Electric Light Orchestra back in the 70's, was killed in 2010 while driving his vehicle in England, by an out-of-control roll bale that got away from a farmer. Not sure if the farmer was charged, maybe farmers aren't hated in England like gun owners are in the U.S. Or maybe the farmer was black. Does someone always have to be CHARGED in freak accidents? Only if it involves a gun? And the shooter isn't black?

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Message 458 of 773 (889612)
12-07-2021 9:13 PM
Reply to: Message 452 by marc9000
12-07-2021 7:36 PM


Re: Racism Is Not A One Way Street
Shooting into a crowd? The way I heard it Babbitt was the first one through - the “crowd” were still the other side of the door.
And you heard it wrong. Everyone was on the other side of the door. She was targeted, he took careful aim at her BEFORE she went through the door. She never made it through the door.
Where did you get your disinformation from? Here's a video taken at the moment that she was shot:
As we can very clearly see, when she was shot she was in the middle of climbing through the busted window in the door. To me, it looks like she was about to jump down into the House antechamber on the other side of that busted door, the side that the police were trying to keep secure.
As we can clearly see, that was not "BEFORE she went through the door", not even close. She was almost completely through it. Yes, she fell backwards, but that was undoubtedly in part due to the moment of the bullet hitting her.
As we can very clearly see, she was not standing on the mob's side of the door. Nor was she somehow arbitrarily chosen to be shot, but rather the police officer knew that he had to stop every person who tried to climb through, so he was aiming for that window. The reason why she was shot was that she was in that window climbing through it. Why did she do that? Sheer stupidity.
We have all seen that over and over again. Why have you never seen it before? Because your disinformation sources doesn't want you to see what actually happened?
I mention that because of what Rep. Ted Lieu said. He was part of the team presented the case against Trump in his record-breaking second impeachment. The presentation included showing videos from the attack on the Capitol -- I forget whether Babbitt's shooting was shown there. When he wasn't giving the presentation, he waited with the others in the Green Room where they had TVs tuned to all the channels that were covering the impeachment proceedings live. When a video was shown to the Senate, they all showed the video. Except for one station: FOX News. Every time a video was shown as evidence, they either cut to a commercial or to commentators. Obviously, they did not want their audience to see the truth.
BTW, the video I linked us to came from an ultra-conservative channel,
CGTN America. Also, many of the comments echoed my earlier amazement at how she could have ever served 14 years in the military (including three deployments to the Middle East) without ever having learned a single thing.

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Message 459 of 773 (889613)
12-08-2021 12:35 AM
Reply to: Message 453 by marc9000
12-07-2021 7:46 PM


Re: Racism Is Not A One Way Street
azpaul:
How many of them were illegally publicly executed by police?
mis-directs marc9000:
By black policemen?
Your god should be well proud of your racism and hatred.
We talk about police murdering a man in public and you go off about race. I never even mentioned race in my message. But it sticks in your craw doesn't it?
Yes, sir, marc of the beast, racism is another one of the christian hates that you practice so well. Your demon jesus is dancing in the streets.
And a white supremacist cite? Openly? You Nazis are steppin out bold?
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 460 of 773 (889614)
12-08-2021 1:19 AM
Reply to: Message 452 by marc9000
12-07-2021 7:36 PM


Re: Racism Is Not A One Way Street
quote:
It doesn't destroy the truth to point out facts, like Michael Byrd is black, is still alive, not lynched
And nobody got even mildly annoyed at that.
quote:
Since I'm hated here, and this guy is on your "side", you don't see that as rage I guess. But I don't have pigs, and never get near farms
Yawn. And I suppose you expect us to believe that every response was likely that. Cherry-picking only proves your dishonesty.
quote:
I don't know what was in their minds, but breaking into one building hardly can be twisted into an attempt to "overturn an election".
That was the point of breaking into the building. The building where the legislators were certifying the election results. As even you must know.
quote:
In Seattle, the lives of anyone near that courthouse or police station were at risk
And from what I remember the police had a lot to do with that. But nice try at creating a false equivalence.
quote:
You should ask Percy that one, he doesn't believe police should have guns. Maybe a bigger security force, manpower, tear gas, there are many other ways, especially if few, or none of the mob was armed. If they displayed arms, then yes, shoot them. Babbitt didn't display arms.
So you insist that there were reasonable alternatives but you can’t think of any. It’s not exactly like the George Floyd case where the cop could have stopped kneeling on his neck and used approved restraint techniques instead.
quote:
The fact that I've never heard of it, combined with the fact that no one here has linked me to the details and results of it
So you haven’t bothered to look. But since it would be routine it’s hardly likely that there was no investigation - and Wikipedia mentions it.
Here’s the DoJ statement
It explains why there was no trial.
Based on that investigation, officials determined that there is insufficient evidence to support a criminal prosecution
quote:
And there are plenty that do, especially when the shooter is white and the shootee is black. This was a high profile, unusual case, that got a lot of public attention.
I think you’ll find that there are quite a lot that don’t end in trials. The “high profile” cases are generally those that are pretty shocking.
quote:
A lot of people would have liked answers.
Then I guess you ought to blame your news sources for neglecting to inform you. You seem to know less about it than everyone here.
quote:
And you heard it wrong. Everyone was on the other side of the door. She was targeted, he took careful aim at her BEFORE she went through the door. She never made it through the door.
So I “heard it wrong” because my description was far more accurate than yours.
quote:
And at least we know that when you can't address a point, you resort to name calling.
Since your “point” was just speculation and smears, while I stated an obvious fact I don’t think you have any claim on the moral high ground.

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Message 461 of 773 (889615)
12-08-2021 8:30 AM
Reply to: Message 460 by PaulK
12-08-2021 1:19 AM


Ashli Babbit was stupid and incapable of connecting to reality
I'm old and so have memory issues so please feel free to correct my recollections.
Wasn't the Capitol Building closed to the general public that day?
Weren't there barricades and police that had to be overwhelmed before any of the insurrectionists could enter the Capitol?
Weren't the doors and windows at the Capitol closed and locked to keep the insurrectionists out that day?
Wasn't the door at the scene of the shooting closed and barricaded to keep the insurrectionists out that day?
Wasn't the window in that door smashed by the insurrectionists that day?
Wasn't Babbit shot as she tried to climb through that broken window?
Sorry but the facts and reality seem to show that Ashli Babbit was not just stupid but ignored at least five prior warnings; any of which would have made police shooting justified in instances where the warnings were ignored.
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Message 462 of 773 (889616)
12-08-2021 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 452 by marc9000
12-07-2021 7:36 PM


Re: Racism Is Not A One Way Street
marc9000 writes:
I suppose you mean “truth bomb” to be a bomb that destroys the truth?
It doesn't destroy the truth to point out facts, like Michael Byrd is black, is still alive, not lynched.
Yes, Marc, you're right on top of things again, those are the exact points people were disputing. They must be what people were disputing, else why would you use them as your examples of you telling the truth? You would never cite irrelevant examples, oh no, not you. Quite clearly people must have been disputing that Byrd is black, alive and not lynched. Thank you for pointing that out.
And it’s funny how you equate telling the truth with rage.
DrJones writes:
of course a pig fucker like you would support a traitor.
Since I'm hated here, and this guy is on your "side", you don't see that as rage I guess. But I don't have pigs, and never get near farms.
Glad to see you have no inflated self-importance. You've got it exactly right. Everyone views you as the most consequential figure here. It's not that the levels of delusions, misrepresentations, lying and racism you display draws lots of attention no matter who does it (e.g., Phat, just a few days ago). It's good to know that it's actually that you're just hated, for no reason I guess.
Really? How many of them [black riots]were about violently overturning an election?
I don't know what was in their minds, but breaking into one building hardly can be twisted into an attempt to "overturn an election".
Oh, you are too kind, because as we all know the misrepresentation of the events of January 6th was far worse than that. Democrats built it up into some kind of giant insurrection thing when it was merely, as a Republican congressman informed us, like a mere tourist visit.
In how many were the lives of the legislators at risk?
In Seattle, the lives of anyone near that courthouse or police station were at risk.
Just so clever, Marc, answering a question with another question that makes clear that invading the halls of Congress with the intent of halting the constitutionally mandated certification of the electoral college after a presidential election and where congresspeople hid under chairs is equivalent to the threat to life and limb of a riot in Seattle where no one was killed. Don't forget cars on roads, that puts people at risk, too, and so is also equivalent to the January 6th insurrection. Great point, Marc!
It was a secured area. She was at the head of a violent mob. Unlike George Floyd who was already restrained and alone. How exactly were the security force meant to stop her and the mob without using firearms?
You should ask Percy that one, he doesn't believe police should have guns. Maybe a bigger security force, manpower, tear gas, there are many other ways, especially if few, or none of the mob was armed. If they displayed arms, then yes, shoot them. Babbitt didn't display arms.
Pure genius, Marc, misrepresenting what I've said. After all, who will remember that my actual position is that almost no police should have guns. What are the odds that I'd think that the most important officials in the land and the most important building in the country should have armed protection?
And noting, for a second time, that Babbitt did not visibly possess firearms. Brilliant!
What makes you think that there wasn’t an investigation?
The fact that I've never heard of it, combined with the fact that no one here has linked me to the details and results of it.
Well now I just feel bad, but who could ever have imagined that your ability to inform yourself was so weak? We apologize for picking on you for your ignorance about something you insisted on talking about as if you were informed. From Wikipedia:
quote:
Following the routine process for shootings by Capitol Police officers, the D.C. Metropolitan Police Department and the Justice Department investigated Babbitt's death and declined to charge Byrd with shooting her.
What makes you think there should have been a trial? There are plenty of police shootings that don’t lead to trials.
And there are plenty that do, especially when the shooter is white and the shootee is black. This was a high profile, unusual case, that got a lot of public attention. A lot of people would have liked answers.
Oh, yes, Marc, just so many trials of white police officers: On-Duty Shootings: Police Officers Charged with Murder or Manslaughter, 2005-2019. Give it a read - interesting stuff. 104 nonfederal officers charged with murder or manslaughter over 15 years or 7 per year. And how many people are murdered by police on average each year? Take a peek at this graph for the last five years taken from People shot to death by U.S. police, by race 2022 | Statista:
Looking at the last full year, 2020, there were 2021 police murders and only 7 police officers charged. Also look at the disproportionate numbers for blacks, who are only 13% of the population but 24% of the police murders. How could it be that blacks are murdered at nearly twice their proportion of the population? But I bet good old Marc has a ready answer, maybe that they're criminal anyway and had it coming.
Shooting into a crowd? The way I heard it Babbitt was the first one through - the “crowd” were still the other side of the door.
And you heard it wrong. Everyone was on the other side of the door. She was targeted, he took careful aim at her BEFORE she went through the door. She never made it through the door.
And once again your bias and ignorance comes to the fore.
marc9000 writes:
Maybe shooting into a crowd of white people didn't bother him too much. In reading about him, I see he's very proud, claimed he "saved a lot of lives". He's a hero to many, there seems to always be celebrations when a black kills a white, and pays no price for it. (O.J. Simpson, one example)
At least we know for sure that you’re a racist - and probably a White Supremacist.
And at least we know that when you can't address a point, you resort to name calling.
Oh, evasion combined with counterattack, just the right tactic. Who could ever believe you're racist anyway? No one believes you really mean all the racist things you say.
--Percy
Edited by Percy, : Grammar.

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Message 463 of 773 (889617)
12-08-2021 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 453 by marc9000
12-07-2021 7:46 PM


Re: Racism Is Not A One Way Street
marc9000 writes:
marc9000 writes:
Of course there are no memorials to white, dope-head crooks, like there are for George Floyd.
How many of them were illegally publicly executed by police?
By black policemen? Who knows, it's seldom reported by the news media!
Ah, Marc, we never tire of hearing you tell us something isn't reported by the media. Isn't what you really mean is that you didn't see it on ABC World News Tonight, which as a half hour program averaging only four or five stories a night can only cover a limited number of events. And might you also concede that your memory is maybe just the teensiest tiniest bit selective?
quote:
Putting together a comprehensive list of black-on-white crime is a difficult task for two, superficially contradictory, reasons: 1) There is so much of it. 2) There is so little reporting on it. I doubt there is a day that goes by in the United States without at least dozens of instances of blacks assaulting, robbing, and/or defacing the property of whites. Yet, if all you’re reading is the New York Times, you might guess that crime of that sort takes place half a dozen times a year at most. But, if you start to dig through local news sources, and discover the code words used to discuss black crime (e.g. “youths”), the ocean of write-ups becomes overwhelming. Indeed, American Renaissance has nearly one thousand news items tagged “Black on White Crime,” while Paul Kersey has well over 3,000 blog posts about the matter.
The Brutal Reality of Black on White Crime - American Renaissance
Why, thank you for this quote from a white supremacist website. We don't get a lot of that here, so thank you. I'm curious, though. Why did you complain about name calling when called a white supremacist in a prior message but now are quoting from a white supremacist website?
Executed for what? Passing a fake bill? Murder? Rape? Being ornery? What major crime did Floyd commit that deserved the death penalty?
Why the execution?
The jury decided that case, I never took exception to it. The white policeman is going to pay for it for most of the rest of his life. That's not good enough for you?
Another brilliant stroke! AZPaul3 had responded to your question about why there are "no memorials to white, dope-head crooks, like there are for George Floyd," and you responded in a way to completely hide that fact. The bust is of George Floyd but as a memorial it's a symbol of the effects of and fight against racism.
Injustices like this deserve the social spotlight. A memorial against this type of government organized crime is more than appropriate.
"Government organized crime" - memorials for black crooks, I've heard it all now.
I just gotta say you sound like such a nice person, full of compassion and discernment.
--Percy

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Message 464 of 773 (889618)
12-08-2021 3:26 PM
Reply to: Message 457 by marc9000
12-07-2021 9:07 PM


Re: Racism Is Not A One Way Street
marc9000 writes:
Marc, you're back, I should have known, I thought I detected a stench.
Just a few more truth bombs on this Pearl Harbor day, then I might make like some birds and get the flock out of here, as has been suggested to me before.
Just rain the truth down upon us! Hallelujah!
And I am just so hurt that you would even consider depriving us of your joyful presence.
We'll have to start calling you Sheldon.
I understand, name calling is what the far left tends to do when its position has little logic.
Oh, Marc, do not sell yourself short! Your obliviousness to sarcasm far surpasses Sheldon! You are an inspiration!
I guess you're the only one here for amusement while everyone else is enraged by your insightful observations. I thought we were only incredulous and appalled,
Incredulous and appalled? Your tiny liberal cocoon is THAT tiny? I think you've said you watch Fox News Sunday sometimes with Chris Wallace. Is that the only time you come out into the real world and see what's actually going on? When Wallace has a conservative guest on, do you immediately turn it off?
What an incredibly astute observer you are! Nothing gets by you! Yes, we liberals (of which I'm not one, but thank you for giving me honorary membership) are in a tiny cocoon. We know nothing of the many things you tell us happened that never actually happened. You are a blessing!
but if you say we're in a rage then I guess we are
Please don't guess, READ!
Positively scintillating! Why did we never think of that? READ! Of course! You saw through my attempt at a clever ploy of passing the phrase "I guess" off as a figure of speech - you knew right away I was actually guessing about whether or not we're in a rage. Exactly, makes perfect sense. You demonstrate once again how you far surpass us. We can only hope that one day we'll achieve your level of enlightenment, perhaps in our dotage!
<impenetrable portion excised>
quote:
While jar and I have different opinions, I don't see how anything he said suggests "that most blacks get shot."

You analyzed what Phat said about jar's statement, and then defended jar's statement. (that white police always discriminate)
Absolutely radiant. Right on the marc, again! Uh, where did jar say "that most blacks get shot" again?
marc9000 writes:
If Byrd would have been white, and Babbitt would have been black, do you think there would have been a trial?
Wow, flipping the races, what an inspirational coup! Uh, could you explain the logic behind this one?
Yes, I'll bold it for you; it can help expose reverse discrimination, it can help expose a new danger to the well being of the U.S. - BLACK SUPREMACY. Building monuments to honor black crooks.
You've performed another brilliancy by leaving out the quote of what you said that I was responding to, and then replying as if you'd said something else. You're definitely in top form!
Ah, Marc, you got me, I made it up. That's just the kind of thing I do all the time, make things up. I'm sure this link is made up, don't bother clicking on it:'She was deep into it': Ashli Babbitt, killed in Capitol riot, was devoted conspiracy theorist. And if you do click on it then especially don't read the third paragraph, because what are the odds it's the very paragraph I quoted? Zero, right? 'Cause I always lie. You know what would be really ironic is if that link took you to the very same news source that you cited yourself, The Guardian. But, naw, what are the odds of that happening?
Conspiracy theorist - yes, deserving of death! Unless you were a Trump/Russian collusion conspiracy theorist, then you were a patriotic American! Even after it was proven a lie by a 2 year investigation.
Right, throw in a complete irrelevancy, confuse the other side. I'll be trying to figure out what the heck you're referring to for weeks. Enlighten us if the mood strikes.
If somebody wanted to trumpet a fake tweet from Babbitt, (big-tech Twitter, the same big tech that banned a sitting Republican president from using its platform) I have no doubt that Jack Dorsey could easily come up with all the proof necessary. But she probably did tweet that,...
Are you sure? Because you don't sound sure. You should be sure, because I told you I faked it. Didn't you believe me?
...did it deserve death?
Briefly waxing serious, no, of course not. I believe most situations don't call for police shooting to kill.
Trump hating liberals tend to get pretty nasty on Twitter a time or two, wouldn't you say?
Big Twitter fan here! I'm on Twitter 40 or 50 hours a day, and that's in addition to my 50 or 60 hours on Facebook! Statistics show that conservatives are 26.74% more nasty on Twitter than liberals, but only 17.92% more nasty on Facebook. Everything I'm saying is 100% true, you can trust me, including the part about trusting me, and that last part, too, and...oh my, I'm exhausting myself, time to exit this loop.
On a more serious note, I've stopped providing links for information that most everyone knows already or that at least is so ubiquitous that anyone can find it with a simple Google search.
So forum rule #4 needs to be revised now?
The forum rules have been in need of revision for over a decade. Are you volunteering? You revise, I review.
Just so astute, Marc, absolutely remarkable. The possibility of a weapon not being visible, what are the chances of that, right? There could be no weapon in her backpack or a coat pocket or pants pocket. It would have been perfectly safe to let her through the smashed glass and walk among members of the House of Representatives. Of course she would have had to look under chairs to find them.
So now, instead of saying police shouldn't have guns, you're now saying that police should be allowed to shoot only if they SUSPECT a weapon, not if they actually see one?
Can't fool you, Marc, can I? That's exactly what I was saying. You're just so spot on. It's remarkable how you never run down ratholes of misinterpretation. You're just perfect!
Seriously again for one paragraph, as you'd know if you'd read my stuff, I am against almost all officers (and everyone else) having guns.
Yes I know, your drastic flip-flops are impossible to keep up with.
Got me again, Marc. Yep, Percy the fliip-flopper they call me. I actually gained that appellation back in grad school for my overreliance on flip-flops in my digital designs, but it turned out to be appropriate for different reasons later on, as you've now discovered. Uh, what was my flip-flop this time, it's so easy to lose track.
Yeah, that's it, you got it, he shot into a crowd, despite what you can see on video. We don't want you to have any doubts that you are absolutely right, so be sure not to view this video, especially at time 1:39: Video Shows Fatal Shooting of Ashli Babbitt at U.S. Capitol (sorry, couldn't embed it)
Yes, I watched it. He took careful aim at HER, a crowd was behind her, she hadn't crossed into the other room. She was in a room with a crowd. Were you hoping I wouldn't watch the video?
Right you are, Marc. That Michael Byrd, just a cold blooded killer.
Very good, even you can sometimes be right when you're trying to be sarcastic.
Just uncanny how well you get to the truth.
marc9000 writes:
In reading about him, I see he's very proud, claimed he "saved a lot of lives". He's a hero to many, there seems to always be celebrations when a black kills a white, and pays no price for it. (O.J. Simpson, one example)
Yep, no racism in your family, you got it all.
Very good, another non answer when you don't have one.
Caught me again! And your racist tracts and denials do so deserve an answer. But certainly no one would consider treating you like a joke as an answer. Naw, no way!
I get my information from a lot of sources, I apply logic to what is said, and come to the same conclusions that most Republicans do.
And that's what we see in your messages, Marc, just so much information and logic. We're actually inundated, drowning even, in your information and logic. Stop, enough already, we can't take anymore!
Here is a partial list of somewhat prominent people, some present, some past, a couple of them now dead. I have the utmost respect for all of them.
<list not included in the interest of brevity>
Thank you for this list of blacks that are the "right kind" according to you. Every racist has his "Hey, I'm not a racist" arguments. There's the "Some of my best friends are black" argument. There's the "I never use black racial slurs" argument. There's the "I work with blacks" argument. There's the "I admire plenty of black folks" argument. There's the "I abhore slavery" argument. Thank you for your contribution to the meme.
They all have one thing in common, care to take a guess at what it is?
Oh, I so want to take a guess. Is it that they appeared in a list of blacks provided by a racist arguing that he's not a racist?
Yeah, exactly, you got that right, Jack. It's no biggie that Michael Byrd's in hiding because of threats from all the far right wing nuts.
In hiding? He's been in hiding since January 6th,...
My gosh, right again, he's been in hiding since January 6th even before his name was leaked onto some right wing websites. How do you do it!
...and now in December, he still is? If you say so.
My memory's a bit fuzzy now after the passage of so much time, but didn't you just brag about how full of information and logic you are? You're just joshing us now, right? You really know that Byrd spoke publicly for the first time at the end of August, right? And that that was when we found out he was in hiding because his name had been leaked to some right wing websites, right? And that he hasn't spoken publicly again since then, right? And why would he stay in hiding anyway since those far right wing nuts are such a peaceful and forgiving bunch. I still think fondly of how that gentle far right wing nut repeatedly "touched" the police shield he'd borrowed from a policeman who was having trouble standing against a window of the Capitol building until the glass shattered so that his mates could enter the building and prowl around looking for congressmen to congratulate. I'm sure they've calmed down by now and are no longer threatening Michael Byrd and his family with violence. I'm sure they're all friends of yours, so say "hi" for me!
...maybe farmers aren't hated in England like gun owners are in the U.S.
Oh, the poor gun owners! Let us pause a moment and extend our heartfelt sympathies to Ethan Crumbley and his parents James and Jennifer Crumbley for the horrible time they're going through now what with all their legal troubles in the wake of the unfortunate incident at Oxford High School in Michigan where so many students just rudely refused to get out of the way of Ethan's bullets.
Gotta hand it to Crumbley's parents, though, hiring a topnotch legal team for themselves while leaving their son to scavenge a public defender.
Or maybe the farmer was black. Does someone always have to be CHARGED in freak accidents? Only if it involves a gun? And the shooter isn't black?
Ah, the smell of racism! We always know when you're around!
--Percy

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Message 465 of 773 (889619)
12-08-2021 6:04 PM
Reply to: Message 464 by Percy
12-08-2021 3:26 PM


Re: Racism Is Not A One Way Street
Jeezo man, Percy - you been layin' it on pretty thick.
I could almost start to feel sorry for Marc9k, but - naw. Let's watch him flop around in the boat for awhile just yet.

"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."

- xongsmith, 5.7d


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