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Michael MD
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Message 320 of 566 (889356)
11-19-2021 11:14 AM
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11-18-2021 11:40 AM


Re: Get Real.
When you refer to my ether model and remark that I "haven't a clue what a quasar is," you are starting to venture into a whole area of cosmology. To address how my ether model would treat quasars, and compare that to how quantum physics views the origin of quasars, would require deviating the discussion into pages and pages of new dialogue/debate,

My Creation Model has a basically-different overview, compared to "random forces" quantum physics, of how cosmic events like quasars originate. My Ether Model views cosmic forces and events like quasars from the viewpoint that such things are "under management" of ether-technology groups (does the term "UFO" ring a bell?), operating occultly with respect the earth people, who use etheric forces to keep the areas where entities exist safe from such chaotic disturbances as quasars.

To just touch on how my model views quasars in particular, they are super-energic systems resulting from super-nova collisions that have gotten out of hand, producing an enormous chaotic non-linear focus of energy requiring technological application, by UFOs, of even-greater, purely-linear ("cleaner") etheric forces, to overcome them, to where their non-linear chaotic effects can't disturb more-distant cosmic areas where entities are located. The quasar's super-energies are still there as seen astronomically, but no longer as harmful.


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Message 323 of 566 (889366)
11-20-2021 12:00 PM
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11-19-2021 11:45 AM


Re: Get Real.
As I said, I wouldn't want to take my Ether Model into the area of cosmology. My basic model of elemental forces and a universal ether has not gotten serious consideration yet, so it would be inappropriate to try to extend it further into the other area of theory.

The subject of cosmic muons came up in discussing creation and how atomic structuring may relate to that, but I would not want to take it any further into cosmologic theory.


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Message 325 of 566 (889400)
11-25-2021 7:02 AM
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11-20-2021 12:00 PM


Re: Get Real.
I mentioned that I didn't want to try promoting my Ether Model by applying it to cosmology, there would be an "other" area of theory I think my model would fit into well.

The question what is the nature of Time has been an ongoing subject of controversy for a long time. -Some fairly well-known theorists have even suggested abolishing the idea that Time actually exists at all (a concept that would fail to account for the finding that Time can vary with different locations and states of motion.)

If you apply my model, of a universal ether composed of individual units that vibrate, one can then propose a highly-rational theory of what Time actually is. Time would be a Rate, specifically the vibratory rate of the units that comprise the ether, because the ether (logically) must be universal, and must exist everywhere, existing both inside and outside everything.


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Message 331 of 566 (889417)
11-25-2021 1:43 PM
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11-25-2021 12:36 PM


Re: Get Real.
The basic idea of how etheric vibration operates is that this is "the" primary underlying determinant of everything in the observable quantum world. Thus, all quantum observations, such as Time, are determined via secondary processes. The vibrations of ether units contact one unit to another identical unit, and this dynamic cannot be analogized directly with how vibrations in the world of quantum dynamics operate.

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Message 345 of 566 (889440)
11-27-2021 8:30 AM
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11-25-2021 2:22 PM


Re: Get Real.
In my Ether Model, after two elemental ether units contact each other via their vibrations, a process that could be thought of as a pair of hooking-on "nodes," then when such a couplet happens to contact another such couplet, as the two match up, it forms a tetrad of four. This process can continue as a template for ever-building larger units in the ether, up to the size of quantum units and atoms. This process in the ether is basically different from quantum dynamics, in which waves, fields, spin, and so on, operate.

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Message 353 of 566 (889458)
11-28-2021 8:06 AM
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11-27-2021 8:30 AM


Re: Get Real.
No one could have been witness to any super-rarified mechanism occurring in original space that would have initiated a transition, of elemental units, from symmetrical oscillation to independent vibration, that could have started the ether, so all one can do is speculate on it.

Of course,there is the well-known depiction of "Yin and Yang" showing a pair of teardrop-shaped units joining together.

My speculation there would be that a possible mechanism could have been one where two neighboring symmetrical, likely spherical, units underwent oscillatory fatigue, which disrupted their perfect symmetry, of reciprocal oscillation with all other units, which then distorted them as they moved directionally for the first time. (Oscillatory fatigue is a known process. It occurs in matals, for example.)


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Message 358 of 566 (889472)
11-29-2021 10:10 AM
Reply to: Message 352 by Tanypteryx
11-27-2021 6:56 PM


To describe how my Ether Model juxtaposes with quantum physics in the case of an energy transmission (light/photonic or electron/electronic).

In my Model, the primary instigator of such transmissions is the ether. My model proposes that as soon as a source of energy is "felt" by the ether matrix, it stimulates units of the ether in the area to interact with that outside stimulus, by forming a vibratory pattern that matches that of the stimulus (photonic or electronic.) This produces a focus of increased energy in the ether, having the same vibratory pattern. In response to an energy stimulus that is linear, as photonic or electronic forces are, the ether units in the area increasingly align with each other, and then entrain, to form larger energy units, such as quantum photons or electrons.

It is possible to detect quantum photons in the trillions in the space near a light transmission. -My model proposes that they all arose from the underlying ether.

Once the quantum size units appear, they are able to interact in the dynamic behavior of quantum physics, involving waves, fields, vectors, and so on. -But the prime instigator of all the observations with energy transmissions is the ether.


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Message 361 of 566 (889491)
11-30-2021 8:22 AM
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11-29-2021 10:56 AM


I'm not sure if your reply was intended seriously, but a few posts ago, I said I wouldn't try to extend my Ether Model into cosmology, because the basic parts of the Model, involving the theory of elemental forces, hasn't received serious consideration yet. Therefore, taking the model further, into cosmic questions would be inappropriate.

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Message 362 of 566 (889494)
11-30-2021 8:47 AM
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11-29-2021 10:10 AM


My Post, on the connection between the vibratory dynamic of the ether proposed in my Ether Model, and the quantum dynamics observed with electronic/photonic energy-transmissions, wasn't quite complete.

To clarify the ether-portion of the model: when an outside photonic or electronic energy impinges on a normally "quiet" zone of ether (where ether units are vibrating quietly and randomly), the linearity of the outside energy causes the ether units there to become increasingly aligned with each other. That increases the amount of contact among the vibrating ether units. This increase in the alignments in turn produces an increase in the amount of entrainment among the ether units, into larger and larger energy units. This is why such large amounts of quantum units (electrons or photons) are found with their transmissions.

Photons in a light beam can be detected in the trillions. -One might ask a "no such thing as ether" quantist where all those photons can be coming from, in association with a sun beam, where the energy source is millions of miles away.


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Message 368 of 566 (889964)
12-18-2021 8:08 AM
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11-30-2021 8:47 AM


A way to conceptualize a key essential of my Ether Model would be to think of it in the context of "the ether is everywhere."

As I have outlined in previous posts, I propose that a universal ether matrix exists which formed first-causally, when ultimately-rarified elemental units transitioned from reciprocally-oscillating to independently, and interactively, vibrating.

By referring to this basic framework, one can see how it would fit into explaining two important theoretic areas: the nature of Time and the propagation of light.

The nature of Time is not agreed on by theorists. -Using my basic Ether Model, Time would be a rate, specifically the rate of vibration of the ether units that comprise the universal ether matrix, because the ether is everywhere, both inside and outside of everything.

If one examines the question of how light propagates, in the light of current quantum theory, some nagging questions arise. -Quantum photons associated with sun beams can number in the trillions. -One might ask a quantist where all those photons are coming from, and how they arrived, when the energy source is millions of miles away.

Fitting this question into my Ether Model, propagation of these light beams, along with the appearance of photons, occur primarily through processes occurring in the ether. This light-propagation sub-model would go as follows.- When an energy source (the sun) radiates its light energy (which must involve ether units), the ether in the area reacts to the linear property of the energy transmission by aligning the ether units in adjoining areas, so that rather than vibrating quietly and randomly, these units align with each other, which increases their interactive contacts with each other. In my Model, as I have outlined previously, this increase in alignment produces entrainments of the ether units, via a process in which matching numbers of vibrations lock and link up. -In my Model, that is how larger and larger energy units are formed, as light propagates in the ether, up to the size scale of photons.

With this picture of the ether matrix, there can be no distance-limits to conduction of light beams. The ether is everywhere, and the ether units are functionally continuously connected (although the individual units are not perfectly contiguous throughout, being vibratory.) -As a light beam travels through space, photons are generated all along its path, as the ether units react to the in-coming energy. That is how the ether model can rationally account for the passage of photonic light over vast cosmic distances.


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Message 374 of 566 (889977)
12-19-2021 7:51 AM
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12-18-2021 11:40 AM


The kind of ether I propose exists couldn't be tested for using traditional methods. Traditional procedures used in quantum physics in settings like a laboratory wouldn't work. You'd have to set up a field test using naturally-occurring materials, in a different kind of setting.

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Message 378 of 566 (890032)
12-22-2021 9:31 AM
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12-19-2021 9:25 AM


When I said "you'd have to use a different, or novel, type of field-test," I thought it would logically imply a protocol exists for that kind of test. It would require financial sponsorship, as it would be pretty expensive.

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Message 385 of 566 (890236)
12-30-2021 7:46 AM
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12-19-2021 11:01 AM


Percy,
Not sure if your Post and suggestion to submit my material to the Academy of Sciences was intended seriously, but it is an extensive website. If you happen to know of a specific, likely-receptive, pathway there I might try submitting to, kindly let me know.

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Message 387 of 566 (890238)
12-30-2021 9:35 AM
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12-30-2021 8:07 AM


jar,

"Ether" net, as developed in our transmissional technologies, is unrelated to the "ether" as described in my ether-model. Ether net was begun in the 1970s and borrowed the term "ether" from theories in the 1800s which were based on theories and hypotheses of the possible existence of a so-called "luminiferous" ether. That concept of ether was set back after Michelson and Morley's famous optics-based experiment, putatively intended to detect "any kind of ether" in 1887, produced a negative result, after which physics dismissed the ether-concept, and purely-quantum physics, plus relativity, were officially adopted.

In my Ether Model, a universal ether matrix exists which comprises vanishingly-minuscule, elemental, vibrating, ether units. This kind of ether is unrelated to the usage of the term "ether" in "ether-net." There, much-larger quantum-scale forces are transmitted, as (in one technique) wire fibers are subjected to manipulations such as twisting, to refine the transmissions. Looking at this from the perspective of the kinds of forces existing in the ether in my Ether Model, there is no comparison to the refinement of ether forces that would be possible using "the real" ether.


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Message 392 of 566 (890316)
01-01-2022 3:27 AM
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12-30-2021 9:43 AM


jar,

Of course, any quantum technology, including ether net, necessarily taps into the ether to a limited degree. In my Ether model, the ether is everywhere, and any quantum-based technology, including Ether Net, necessarily taps into the ether, in a "limited" way, but not to the extent that a direct ether technology would do. Nevertheless, quantum-based dynamic systems like "ether net", (I claim) always originate in the vibrational dynamics of the underlying ether.

What I claim is that there could be a way to directly tap into the ether (using a novel set-up involving a non-traditional approach, involving naturally-occurring materials and a more-natural setting). So far, I haven't been able to get any support. Official grant agencies want to know what background support I have, what academic affiliations, what hard experimental data there is, and the like.


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