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Author Topic:   Am I the only one who believes in God?
Phat
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Message 11 of 44 (88959)
02-26-2004 11:35 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Catalyst
02-26-2004 11:20 PM


Free Will and the Tree..here we go again
Catalyst writes:
when god tells adam not to eat from the tree isnt god already giving Adam the knowledge of good and evil? thus creating it in humans!
No. God merely presented the concept of Obedience and Disobedience. Free Will. Evil was an unknown reality before the act of disobedience.

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Message 13 of 44 (88966)
02-27-2004 12:06 AM
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02-26-2004 11:41 PM


Re: Free Will and the Tree..here we go again
God created the possibility of evil. He did not make us own it. God created Lucifer BEFORE Lucifer chose to rebel. Lucifer chose to be independant from God, thus personifying evil by definition. Humanity chose disobedience and thus independance from Gods Spirit. This was the knowledge of good and evil by definition. God always wants us to listen to Him, yet He never makes us do it.

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Message 15 of 44 (88997)
02-27-2004 5:18 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Percy
12-12-2001 6:28 PM


Gods Character
Percy writes:
I believe in God, and I also believe all the world's religions are products of the minds of men.
What type of characteristics does your God have?

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Message 21 of 44 (89319)
02-28-2004 8:55 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Buzsaw
02-28-2004 5:52 PM


Which Deity D'you see?
buzzsaw writes:
To which god do you refer? Jehovah of the Bible, Allah of the Quran, Brahma of Hinduism, Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo of Buddhism, one of the various other Eastern gods, one or more of the Greek or Roman gods, Native American gods, one or more of the thousands of jungle gods of S America, Africa or the Islands, etc?
In response, I quote:
Acts 17:22-31= Paul then stood up in the meeting of the Areopagus and said: "Men of Athens! I see that in every way you are very religious. For as I walked around and looked carefully at your objects of worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: TO AN UNKNOWN GOD. Now what you worship as something unknown I am going to proclaim to you. "The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by hands. And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything, because he himself gives all men life and breath and everything else. From one man he made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live. God did this so that men would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from each one of us. 'For in him we live and move and have our being.' As some of your own poets have said, 'We are his offspring.' "Therefore since we are God's offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone-an image made by man's design and skill. In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to all men by raising him from the dead." (from New International Version)
This is the God that I refer to,Buzz.

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Phat
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Message 25 of 44 (89352)
02-29-2004 12:55 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by Catalyst
02-28-2004 7:36 AM


Say What?
Catalyst writes:
so by your logic phatboy, God is not all powerful because He did not create everything, and if He did not create everything how can He be everywhere as everything has to be made of him, If He is the ALL heavenly FATHER then everything has to have originated from him.
Say What? Everything is created by God.
Note in Isaiah, when evil is mentioned.
Isa 59:2=But your iniquities have separated you from your God;
In other words, the free will choice to do our own thing leads to evil. Note:
Isa 59:4=
they conceive trouble and give birth to evil.
God did not want evil to become part of our nature, yet by virtue of Him having to give us a choice in life, evil existed as a concept. It only became internalized into Fallen Angels and later humans because of our choice to disobey Him. I will admit that this concept is deep and is a mystery. I do not see God as an evil tyrant with a magnifying glass and us as ants. I DO see God as knowing a lot more than mere human wisdom can fathom. Also, Catalyst, just because God created all things does not mean that He is all things. That is a concept known as Pantheism. If you paint a picture, you are not the picture. You are the artist.
[This message has been edited by Phatboy, 02-29-2004]

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Phat
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Message 27 of 44 (89491)
03-01-2004 12:26 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by Catalyst
02-29-2004 7:39 PM


All Part of The Plan....
Calypso, I will agree that the plan is inclusive of everything that has happened. To me, God is not a pantheistic concept, however..We clearly have a choice in life as to what we choose to do or not do, and even if God foreknows our decision, it is not that we never had a decision. I am straight up Monotheistic all the way, baby! None of that new age pantheistic mumbo jumbo for this kid!

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Message 35 of 44 (90921)
03-07-2004 10:02 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by Percy
03-05-2004 9:36 AM


Re: Gods Character
We know that God Incarnate, Jesus christ is male. I will point out, however, that as far as gender issues go in heaven, the Bible says that God is a Spirit...and there is no gender specifically attached. God is beyond gender.

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Phat
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Message 37 of 44 (90936)
03-07-2004 11:05 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by 1.61803
03-07-2004 10:53 AM


Re: Gods Character
I am a bit dense at times. Ogg see forest..{BUMP!} Oww. Ogg no see tree!

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