Replying to all your messages here.
A lot there, but about 3/4 of it seems to be your accusations of racism, so I think the best way to streamline it all is for me to address the racism part all at once, then move through what little substance there is to the rest of it. I'll start with some quotes from Michelle Obama;
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Michelle Obama has recalled her "exhausting" experience with racism using the example of a simple trip to get ice cream with her daughters during her time in the White House.
https://www.today.com/...eriencing-racism-first-lady-t190319
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We had just finished taking the girls to a soccer game," Obama said. "We were stopping to get ice cream, and I had told the Secret Service to stand back because we were trying to be normal, trying to go in," Obama said.
"There was a line, and once again, when I'm just a Black woman, I notice that white people don't even see me. They're not even looking at me. So I'm standing there with two little Black girls, another Black female adult, they're in soccer uniforms, and a white woman cuts right in front of us to order. Like she didn't even see us."
Obama said the girl at the counter almost took the woman's order before the first lady spoke up. "So I stepped up, and I said, 'Excuse me?' I was like, 'You don't see us four people standing right here, you just jumped in line?'" Obama said. "She didn't apologize, she never looked me in my eye, she didn't know it was me. All she saw was a Black person, or a group of Black people, or maybe she didn't even see that because we were that invisible.
"I can tell you a number of stories like that when I've been completely incognito, during the eight years in the White House, walking the dogs on the canal, people will come up and pet my dogs but will not look me in the eye. They don't know it's me."
Obama emphasized how not even being acknowledged as a human being can be hurtful.
"What white folks don't understand, it's like that is so telling of how white America views people who are not like them," she said. "You know, we don't exist. And when we do exist, we exist as a threat. And that, that's exhausting."
She also shared why having close Black friends has been important to her.
"There's a certain relief that comes when you don't have to walk into your friend group and explain yourself," she said. "My group of female friends aren't calling me to say, 'What can I do?' You guys are calling me to say, 'How you doin' girl?' You know, 'let's talk.'
This is so unbelievable to me - does she not realize that people in line in a public place just might have other things on their minds than bowing down to her, or anyone? Most people would agree that she's an attractive woman, above average. If she could spend a couple of weeks in the shoes of an unattractive white person, she'd quickly find out what it's like to be ignored, to not be taken seriously. Bush 41's wife Barbara probably could have told her some stories of things that happened to her late in her life that would have caused Michelle to turn white. Michelle was the wife of a president, now the wife of an ex-president, she's now set for life, from the tax money of mostly white citizens. Is she satisfied with that? Of course not, no matter what special rights blacks get, they're never satisfied. They hate. They're racists of the worse kind.
Now let's look at what another black person had to say, from a much earlier time, 1950, before there was Black History Month, before Martin Luther King Day, before Black Entertainment Television, before racial quotas, before minority contracts in construction, before other recent black supremacy;
Thomas Sowell, one of the people I listed in
Message 457 Born in 1930, adopted as an infant, grew up in Harlem, left his family and went to D.C. in 1950. I have several of his books on my shelf. In one of the introductions, he gives a brief outline of what his life was like growing up.
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I had dropped out of high school at age 16, left home at 17 to go live on my own, usually in a rented room. I discovered the hard way that there was no great demand for a high-school drop out with no skills or experience. I had no clear indication of where I was heading, if anywhere beyond the string of low-level, poorly paying jobs I held. After nearly 3 tough years on my own, if was a major advance when I received an offer of a job as an entry level clerk with the government in Washington in September 1950.
He doesn't say, but my guess is that that government job offer in 1950 came from a white person. A white person who noticed that he was a good worker, and had a brain. But in referring to this part of his life, he doesn't mention race. Now to continue;
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Washington was a new experience, going beyond a change of jobs and cities. In Washington lived [sisters and brothers] - I never knew any of them existed while I was growing up. I had been adopted in infancy and was not told I was adopted until I was nearly grown. Having left the family in which I had grown up when I was 17, I now had a new family and that was a good feeling. Washington itself was not a good experience , however, when I arrived there in 1950. Racial barriers made downtown restaurants and most movie houses off-limits. The schools were racially segregated. Washington was a typical southern town in every way except that blacks did not have to ride in the back of buses and trolleys.
He then goes on about being drafted into the Korean War, spending over a page in the introduction of this book about that, leading to his graduation in 1958 from Harvard with a degree in economics.
Never mentioning race , never referring to the racial barriers he briefly referred to above. So what did he do about those racial barriers? He shrugged them off, he accepted reality as it is, and did the best he could with what he had.
The conditions you're describing are a result of poverty, lack of opportunity, poor education, etc. Whites and blacks fall into poverty for many of the same reasons, the main difference being that blacks have the additional disadvantage of being the objects of racist discrimination by people like you. Your hate deprives minorities of opportunity which in turn forces them into lifestyles you find distasteful, and then you hate them for living in ways that your hate drove them into. Nice work!
I wonder if there will ever come a time when the majority of blacks ever start looking at themselves for their problems instead of blaming whites from generations ago. It's true that 1950 was long after the civil war, and the racial barriers Sowell very briefly referred to were a problem, but steady progress has been made, so many 70 year old racial barriers are now long gone.
Logical indications are that it's not so much about race, it's more about using race as an advantage to give the Democrat party more and more power, by painting all references by conservatives to liberty and limited government with the very broad racism brush. A Lyndon B. Johnson quote comes to mind;
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I'll have those n**gers voting Democratic for the next 200 years.
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I can only assume from your avatar that you're white. The problem that you have is that you probably believe that blacks adore you and support you because you're on their "side". Their actions and attitudes show me that they don't - you're just a useful tool to them, and until they don't need you anymore, or until you finally wake up and realize that black supremacy is what they seek, and it doesn't include you or anything to do with you. My references above to Michelle Obama make it perfectly clear - they're NEVER satisfied with the gains they get, never.
Making exceptions to your "if they're black they lack" rule doesn't mean you're not a racist.
Why did you put "if they're black they lack" in quotations as if I said it, which I didn't? The exceptions (my Sowell reference) show that I go by the content of their character, not necessarily the color of their skin. Roughly 90% of them vote for the same party that enslaved them 160 years ago. The party of Lyndon Johnson. A significant percentage of them don't pay much attention to the content of character, they only see the color of skin. Like Michelle Obama, and I'm sure, her husband. Their hatred of whites was probably a large part of their courtship, and subsequent marriage.
It isn't the statistics from American Renaissance I distrust but any reasoning attached to them.
Any reasoning? The 69% out-of-wedlock percentage versus 28% can't possibly be considered as one of many reasons for societal deterioration? That's only one example, there are countless others, black supremacy doesn't allow a lot of relevant things to be discussed. It was the same with my pointing out that Capitol policeman Byrd is black, black supremacy / political correctness / Democrat talking points want a lot of things forgotten about - covered up. It's the reason there was so much anger here when I pointed it out.
A few more loose ends in your long maze;
marc9000 writes:
..the descriptions I got seemed to imply that Barney Fife got scared and accidentally fired his one bullet into a crowd, the poor dear.
You're making things up again.
They were MY VIEWS, they were the descriptions I got. The accusation "made up" doesn't apply.
You often step so far outside reality that I'm beginning to wonder, perhaps what you think is outrage is just people rolling their eyes.
That's what I love about this place, I could say the earth is round and the grass is green and school buses are yellow, and I'd get called a racist for it. Goes along with my most hated status here.
marc9000 writes:
dwise1 writes:
I mention that because of what Rep. Ted Lieu said. He was part of the team presented the case against Trump in his record-breaking second impeachment. When he wasn't giving the presentation, he waited with the others in the Green Room where they had TVs tuned to all the channels that were covering the impeachment proceedings live. When a video was shown to the Senate, they all showed the video. Except for one station: FOX News. Every time a video was shown as evidence, they either cut to a commercial or to commentators. Obviously, they did not want their audience to see the truth.
And where did you get this information from?
As dwise1 clearly said, it was part of the presentation by Rep. Ted Lieu made to the House impeachment committee.
And I clearly wasn't asking about the presentation, or if Ted Lieu was a personal friend of dwise1 and told him about the horrid things Fox News did. I wanted to find out where he got the information about what the networks did with it. I suspect it could have been CNN, they often don't want their audience to see the truth.
Once again you accuse the mainstream media of being deceived by and promoting lies, but it turns out the one lying is you. Smollett reported his faked attack on January 29, 2019, it was all over the media, and from then on the media reported what the police told them, which was that over the next month Smollett's phone records led them to two Nigerians who said Smollett had paid them to stage the attack. By February 20, 2019, Smollett had already been named as a suspect by the police. All this was reported in the media.
When Smollett reported his faked attack, it was sensationalized. Commentators like Robin Roberts interviewed him, and broadcasted his lies for a full 16 minutes. Here's what Biden tweeted;
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"What happened today to @JussieSmollett must never be tolerated in this country," President Biden, tweeted in January 2019 when he was mulling a presidential run, "We must stand up and demand that we no longer give this hate safe harbor; that homophobia and racism have no place on our streets or in our hearts. We are with you, Jussie."
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Multiple politicians called the attack an attempted 'modern day lynching'
Biden, Harris led frenzy to amplify Jussie Smollett's false hate crime claims | Fox News
Would have been nice if Roberts would have sat down for 16 minutes after the guilty verdict, with someone from American Renaissance and they could have discussed how we can no longer give safe harbor to Smollett's style of hate. His attempt to paint all Trump supporters as a lynch mob. What do you think the ratio of initial reports and commentary were between the initial reports of the attack, versus the corrections? 20 to 1? 40 to 1? How many blacks around the country got the message?
Yeah, well, sorry about any attacks and name calling, but doesn't that happen a lot to liars and racists?
Not to black ones.
marc9000 writes:
No congresspeople were killed. Must have been really impressive for our allies around the world to see our congresspeople hiding under chairs, rather than depending on some kind of well thought out security to keep them safe.
It was your people the congresspeople were hiding from.
They were not my people, any more than Jussie Smollett is your person.
You seem remarkably tone deaf to the significance of the events of that day.
Yes, there were a lot of events.
jar writes:
Wasn't the Capitol Building closed to the general public that day?
Weren't there barricades and police that had to be overwhelmed before any of the insurrectionists could enter the Capitol?
Weren't the doors and windows at the Capitol closed and locked to keep the insurrectionists out that day?
Wasn't the door at the scene of the shooting closed and barricaded to keep the insurrectionists out that day?
Wasn't the window in that door smashed by the insurrectionists that day?
Wasn't Babbit shot as she tried to climb through that broken window?
The answer to each of those questions is yes, and our allies around the world were probably wondering why not one of those things were properly ENFORCED. Leading to the last one, an unarmed person being shot.
Of course it's possible for blacks to be racist, but there's no more justification for it than for white racism, though you might recall that I earlier noted that black anxiety and fear of whites is understandable.
And with the non-reporting of black racism, and other black supremacy, white anxiety and fear of blacks is also understandable.
Merry Christman to you and everyone at EvC, including Dr. Jones, God love him. I'm done here for awhile.
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