Who's the bigger offender: Conservatives or Liberals?

It's good to see that your megalomania is doing well. I checked in on them a few times a year or two ago, but not since. It's not necessary to watch them because Fox News writes "news" stories about much of what they say that appear in the Google News aggregator. You talk frequently about outrage and anger and hate. If it's anything like the outrage and anger and hate you keep talking about in this thread then it's fictional. And racist. You're so consequential around here that the administrators have daily marathon meetings about what to do about you. I'm making that up, of course. It isn't the nature of one's opinions that makes one a bad citizen here but the way in which one participates. You're fine. Your views are distasteful and provocative and an illustration of why the country is traveling so dismal a path concerning race, but you haven't severely crossed any Forum Guidelines lines yet. If it's important to your sense of self to believe you're engaged in a high risk game of suspension brinksmanship then go right ahead, but your concern is misplaced. Administrators cannot moderate in threads they're participating in.There was a virulent racist here around 2004, can't remember his alias. If you can find his posts perhaps you can learn how to get suspended. It's Jefferson, it's famous: "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." There has been no more divisive political figure in American politics than Trump since perhaps Andrew Jackson. He made no secret that he was president for only some of the people, not all of the county. Good example of just the kind of hogwash I was talking about. Yes, still a good description of why we reply to claims so obviously absurd that they need no response. I referred to Republican efforts on voting as disenfranchisement, but you seem to be saying it would be better to say they're defrauding voters? Well, yes, I guess that's true, but I think the term disenfranchisement is more accurate.--PercyEdited by Percy, : Grammar.

You keep saying hogwash when I think you really mean BULLSHIT!

I think I know how Michele Obama feels in that ice cream story. As a male in a grocery store I sometimes feel invisible to some females, like I don't exist. I can see you yearn for the good old days when blacks knew their place. Racism wasn't just generations ago. Racism is now. You're an example. Yes, a lot of racists like you are saying, "Enough with the racial progress already." It's figures you'd find a made-up quote. See Did LBJ Say 'I'll Have Those N*****s Voting Democratic for 200 Years'? | Snopes.com. This is a very weird thing to say. I try, though probably don't succeed, to keep all personal information private except the state where I live. Evidently you're a racist and a scaremonger and a paranoid. My thinking doesn't parallel yours in any way. The phrase had to be set off somehow, which is often done with quotes - would you have preferred italics? You're a terrible judge of character. You like Sowell not because of his character but his politics. Slavery in the United States predates 160 years ago (1861), it predates the Democrats (1828), and it even predates the Constitution (1787). Thank you for this further expression of your prejudice and hate. Yes, exactly, that's precisely the kind of racist reasoning that leads me to distrust racist tracts like American Renaissance. Out of wedlock births have been rising across almost all races for almost a century. The black number began from a higher base. There's a black supremacist movement? Who knew! Such attitudes are as false and dangerous as white supremacy. I think you don't know what a coverup is, and the rest of it is made-up nonsense I think it was more repugnance we were feeling, not anger. You're not making sense. You referred to "the descriptions I got" (not "MY VIEWS"), and I called them made up. In Byrd you just saw yet another black to cast your racist views at. You're lying again. No one called you racist for innocuous statements. If you'd confined your statements to the color of grass and school buses no one would have any idea you're racist, but you didn't. Instead you've gone on a lengthy campaign to justify your racism. To you your racism is okay because blacks commit too much crime and have too many out-of-wedlock births and live in too much squalor. To you this excuses your attitudes and behavior that keep blacks locked in as second class citizens.About dwise1's description of Ted Lieu's account, I can't see why you think some of the information you quoted came from Ted Lieu and some came from dwise1. Everything dwise1 said came from Ted Lieu, none from dwise1. Dwise1 only presented it. The writing is pretty clear, I really can't help you resolve your confusion. That it would be sensationalized was likely a large part of Smollett's motivation. More racism. Of course they're your people. You all believe most of the same things, and they especially share your racism. There's a House investigation into this now that includes why the capitol was so poorly defended. We're all aware of the ease with which you concoct excuses for your racism.--Percy

I always liked Faith. She reminded me of a girl I once knew whose real name was Faith. And I always liked Buzsaw too, although I never knew any girls named Buzsaw. (I have known a few who might as well have been buzz-saws.)You? You're not even the biggest idiot around here.You're more of a standup comedian: "But seriously, folks, Trump did a good job..." Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha....

Sure, it's not uncommon, happens a lot to a lot of people. It was quite a stretch for her to make it about race. Almost like she's a racist. What I was pointing out was that, most blacks, (and so many white race-hustlers who try to exploit them) constantly lament about how tough they had it when they were growing up, and use that as an excuse for their rioting and dependence on handouts. Very few blacks can claim they had a tougher time growing up than Sowell did. He made it work without rioting and handouts in the 1950's. They should all be able to make it work today, without all the accusations about how unfairly they've been treated historically. Exactly right. With all their current special rights that I pointed out earlier, it's clear they achieved 100% equality decades ago. But their demands for more and more special rights never stop. From your link;

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There’s no question that Lyndon Johnson, despite championing the landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964 and signing it into law, was also a sometime racist and notorious vulgarian who rarely shied away from using the N-word in private. For example, he reportedly referred to the Civil Rights Act of 1957 as the “nigger bill” in more than one private phone conversation with Senate colleagues. And he reportedly said upon appointing African-American judge Thurgood Marshall to the Supreme Court, “Son, when I appoint a nigger to the court, I want everyone to know he’s a nigger.”

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So do you automatically hand wave away the fact that he "was also a sometime racist and notorious vulgarian who rarely shied away from using the N-word in private."? So because Snopes couldn't find any clear evidence for it, it couldn't have happened once in a private conversation? Considering Johnson's nature, it's easier to believe it did happen than it didn't.Johnson made Trump look like a choir boy. Neither, it was a straw man phrase. Yes, it's called Black Lives Matter. (BLM) A phoney name in many ways, more accurately it should be called Black Supremacy Matters. (BSM) And too many special rights that I've already pointed out, the minority contracts, the racial quotas, special holidays, special television stations, the list goes on and on. The problem that you have is that you confuse the terms "racism" with what I and millions of others often have, resentment. If so many blacks weren't so arrogant and 'in-your-face' with their demands, what you term "racism" would be far less pronounced in the U.S. So what you perceive as racism is actually brought about by those who promote monuments to the likes of George Floyd, the demands and riots of organizations like BLM, etc. Because some of dwise1's "information" was about how the networks covered it, about how Fox News cut to commercials to hide something. Those claims were not part of Ted Lieu's account. The beliefs I share with them had / have nothing to do with race. Biden is white - the election dispute wasn't about race. They're not my people because I didn't ACT OUT the way they did. They didn't represent me in their actions. If that doesn't clear it up for you, then Smollett is your person. He hates Trump / Republicans - you hate Trump / Republicans. You didn't stage a fake attack like he did, but apparently that's irrelevant to you. Merry Christman to you and everyone at EvC, including Dr. Jones, God love him. I'm done here for awhile.

Nope.He did just that in the 1982 governor's race.(I have no clue what this has to do we with anything)(My roommate, who loves western movies, just showed me who John Wayne was. I never saw him on t.v. before. I knew he was a right wing government guy, who had propaganda films. Just researched his career a bit, and came across a little on Wallace)

I always liked John Wayne movies, though he was a tad too conservative for me. I never stray left of the middle, though.

He wasn't too conservative for me. I didn't agree with him on many things but I could respect his views. He wasn't as rabid as you and the modern "Republicans". In his movies, he was often sympathetic to Indians and Mexicans before it was fashionable. Your left hand is the one with the big "L" on it. I don't think you've ever seen it.

But it *was* about race, just as how I'm sometimes treated in the grocery store is about gender. It's pretty common for people to be able to tell when they're being treated differently. Treating people differently because of the color of their skin is racism, and being aware that you're being treated differently because of the color of your skin is definitely not racism. Yes, I know, you racists want blacks to stop being so uppity and to just accept the lot in life that racists have assigned them and make the best they can of it. If it was good enough for Sowell then it should be good enough for them. But aren't blacks more equal than whites since they get pulled over more often, denied housing more often, arrested more often, tied up in the court system more often, imprisoned more often? I didn't argue for or against Lyndon Johnson. I just pointed out that you used a fake quote to support your false arguments about Democrats and race. You don't deny being a racist, so "If they're black they lack" is a pretty concise statement of the way you think. That would be incorrect. There *are* black supremacist organizations, which was news to me, but BLM isn't one of them. Ironic that someone like you can't spell "phony". Yes, I know, you've said this before. You wish blacks would just stop intruding upon white prerogatives and sensibilities, as in the days of Jim Crowe. "We're the bright young men who wanna go back to 1910, we're Barry's boys. We're the kids with a cause, yes a government like grandmama's, we're Barry's boys." (from Barry's Boys by the Chad Mitchell Trio). Of course they were part of Ted Lieu's account. I don't see why you're having so much trouble understanding simple English. Lieu recounted how all the TV's in the green room were tuned to different channels covering the impeachment proceedings and that when video of the insurrection was shown all the stations would show it except one: Fox News. They'd either cut to commentators or to a commercial.I don't get why this is so difficult for you to understand. Dwise1 wrote in pretty plain English. Well that's nonsense, because one of the attitudes you definitely share with them is racism. Many of the arguments Trump lawyers made in court were about race, because they often targeted black districts for their false charges of voter fraud. No one accused you of supporting insurrection, but your views are pretty much the same ones as the insurrectionists concerning the election and race, and you do support the insurrectionist-in-chief. Had you been at the capitol that day the odds are pretty good that you would have walked into the building after it was breached and wandered around the rotunda taking selfies.The insurrectionists are your people I don't deal with life through a veil of hate like you do. This doesn't capture my views at all. Another lie. Prove me wrong.--PercyEdited by Percy, : Typo.

Percy responds again to our resident Racist: We can imagine/know how Marc feels about Reparations That Are Still Due (concurrent with ones also still due to the original tribes living here).Marc, until you have lived in a black man's shoes your spoutings here are just shit. Since you cannot live in a black man's shoes, you should just save as much as whatever face you still have left and STFU.I am trying to find anything good you have said on EvC and cannot. You are a sad little man.My apologies to Percy for intruding into his demolition of Marc.

You said John Wayne was not rabid?(You said Republicans are "rabid", today, right? Liz Cheney comes to mind, but Republicans are actually putting up a fight for free-speech, and it is not just against fascism, but there is a fight for free speech - waged by Republicans - which seems to be a fight for avaliable platforms, for those with dissenting views, even before taking on the existential threat from criminalizers/fascists like Cheney)John Wayne worked for Joe McCarthy, and Wayne blacklisted actors, infact it was his job for 5 years to be dictator of movie storyline's before approval. Call it "cancel culture" before the show could go on to be produced & cancelled.John Wayne was an admitted white supremacist, and he attacked the education level of black Americans. Remember, most blacks opposed the Vietnam war, and Dr King was critical of far more than the single Vietnam War.You can rest assured that John Wayne would have attacked the Biden pullout of Afghanistan and with racist accusations that implicated genuine liberals (white supremacist "liberals" attacked Biden too) and minority communities.Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.

LNA keeps his BS meter running: No, Ringo said with the operative word being "AS". Sort of on a scale, LNA. If squawking shit nonsense and delusional fantasies that endanger the public are considered "free speech", then you may have a point. But they're not. Are you talking about her dad? then maybe I'd begin to agree, but I think you are talking about one of the most beaming heroes of the old Republican party, Liz Cheney - who is calling out the Repugnants on their shit lies, which is plain to see for everyone but Fox News and the insurrectionists that are still encamped in the Big Trump Lie.On the John Wayne stuff I'd mostly agree with your characterizations, but this: is purely your own bullshit. Yes, John may have gone along with the rabid right wingers and blamed Biden. But it was Trump that fucked us over real good with that one and Biden managed to extricate the armed forces with an astonishingly LOW casualty count. You really ate up the Fox News slimey shit with that big mouth of yours, didn't you? Man, how do you even function? Walk? Use a computer? Read?-wait, I know that answer.I hope you aren't old enough to drive.Edited by xongsmith, : Fix title

What the Fxxx are you talking about?(I will just respond to you last part, which seemed to disagree with me saying Wayne was a white supremacist who opposed "helpful" U.S. troops being pulled from the foreign occupation zones - often an entire country, like Vietnam and - like - Afghanistan)You said Trump did something (like) "bad" when it came to Afghanistan.I dont know what you consider "good", and I conversely don't know what you consider to be "evil"-ish.Is it "bad", to you, that Biden pulled out?(I should warn you that I consider a Democrat who holds this position to probably be on the white supremacist side of things, and probably many Republicans opponents of the pullout to be the same, though the partisan political issue complicates the Reoublican moaning and the meaning of the meaning of such complaints)Liz Cheney is a genuine racist, and her opposition to the pullout was very sincere. Very sincerely racist.I need to know what you just described as a Trump position. I know you called it a bad thing. What are you saying he did or intended to do?(I have not watched Fox in over 2 years, fyi. I have little clue where the commentators stood. Or even who the talking heads are.

Can you Read? - wait, I know that answer.

Do you remember Lincoln Chafee junior?He was appointed Senator, from Rhode Island, when his anti-war father died (2000/1999).His father was the only Republicans who voted against the 1991 Gulf War.The other Senator was the pro-war John "Jack" Reed, a Democrat.Democrats were trying to elect 2 pro-war candidates (congressman Robert Wiegand or State Attorney General James Langevin), in 2000, to take the Senate seat from Link Chafee.The 2 anti-abortion, pro war Democrats were the favorites to defeat the "moderate" Republican Lincoln Chafee.Rep Wiegand got the Democratic nomination and said, in the debate, he would vote for a pro-life Republican Supreme Court justice. Chafee said he would not.Chafee won by 15 points, thanks to 40% of Democrats supporting him.Democrats selected the old segregationist Zell Miller to run in the Georgia Senate race - a Paul Begala favorite. He won.The 50/50 Senate split resulted in Miller saying he would switch from the Democrats if Chafee switched.Chafee strongly opposed the wars during the Bush administration. He became a Democrat and ran for the nomination in 2016.He was disturbed by the pro war direction of the Democratic party.He is now a libertarian.I am sick of the racist Democratic party. Afghanistan does not need a bunch of white supremacists running the place. Stay the heck out of Afghanistan, fascists.Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.