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ringo Member (Idle past 706 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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LamarkNewAge writes:
Less so than most in his day. (He died in 1979, you know.)
John Wayne was an admitted white supremacist... LamarkNewAge writes:
So do I. Saying that somebody "should" be better educated is not rabid.
... he attacked the education level of black Americans. LamarkNewAge writes:
So did I.
Remember, most blacks opposed the Vietnam war,... LamarkNewAge writes:
So am I.
... and Dr King was critical of far more than the single Vietnam War. LamarkNewAge writes:
I don't rest assured about anything you say.
You can rest assured... LamarkNewAge writes:
So do I. The troops shouldn't have been there in the first place, so I attack that too, but the way they were pulled out could have been handled better. ... that John Wayne would have attacked the Biden pullout of Afghanistan...."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined:
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but the way they were pulled out could have been handled better. Given the circumstances on the ground in Afghanistan, I don't see how. To me it looks like we were fucking lucky that there wasn't a huge firefight with thousands of casualties.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2497 Joined: |
John Wayne was a pro-war fascist. He felt that support for the war would gave been impenetrable if not for African American opposition. (I feel blacks were divided enough, on Vietnam, that they were a bit on the irrelevant side - but for the power of the (late) Dr King Beyond Vietnam 1968 speech)
To maliciously sweep away the contrary views, of Black Americans, because they are lacking in "education" (in forked toung speech, that means many things at once, including the fact that the accused refuse to completely swallow propaganda), is just to eerily parallel to the voter literacy laws that came up just after the viral 1896 De Jure segregation movement began in Louisiana. The beloved FBI was run by 1 single fascist, from 1924 to 1972: J Edgar Hoover. He felt that the Civil Rights movement was a "Soviet plot" for a Marxist democratisation of the southern United States, which would lead to far-left politicians getting elected. Blacks were smeared by the elite institutions of the country. Their vote simply should not be cast, nor counted. Learn your history, Ringo. (See the John Wayne Playboy interview, for starters)
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2636 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 6.1
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LNA turns his wild accusatory eyes towards Ringo with:
Learn your history, Ringo. Still brandishing your "I can't read" sign, huh? What ever makes you think he hasn't?"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside." - xongsmith, 5.7d
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8683 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.0 |
Blacks were smeared by the elite institutions of the country. Their vote simply should not be cast, nor counted. Clarify, please. Who do you attribute this view? You have Wayne, King, Hoover all mixed. I can't follow.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined:
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Still brandishing your "I can't read" sign, huh? The other side reads, "I'm incoherent."What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2497 Joined: |
Hoover called King a Soviet puppet.
Hoover said the civil rights movement was directed by Moscow, and it was an attempt to make the south a "negroe Soviet" state. Wayne was not simply a benign capitalist. He was more a mix of private/public. He was a major McCarthy allie. (And he was a John Birch Society member, and he was no libertarian. He was one of the fascist variety.) Learn you history.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8683 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.0
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LNA, I asked a very specific question on a very specific quote you give.
I am entitled to clear attribution when asked. Learn your manners. Now, since you get off into the weeds so quickly and easily, I will ask again.
You Blacks were smeared by the elite institutions of the country. Their vote simply should not be cast, nor counted. Me Clarify, please. Who do you attribute this view? You have Wayne, King, Hoover all mixed. I can't follow. If this is outside your present mental capability, go seek help, but do try to answer first.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2497 Joined: |
I will respond but you seem ignorant of the fact that the FBI & Hoover were the first power in the country during King's lifetime.
You are ignorant of the fact that various laws prevented over 80% of blacks, in a large number of states, from being able to vote. Ringo thought John Wayne was making a call for more education funding in Mississippi (perhaps he is mistaking a rabid right winger, Wayne, with Republican Thad Cochrane? I don't know) I know you will spin that one away. Ringo was probably agreeing with John Wayne's "white supremacy" line, in ignorance. I will give Ringo that benefit. EDIT I will find a book quote and respond later. Hoover was king of the land. The FBI was not simply elite, but it was the government. Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8683 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.0
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you seem ignorant of the fact that ... Sir, you have no idea of my knowledge or my ignorance. But I think I have taken your measure somewhat accurately.
I will find a book quote and respond later. I'm confident. But ... I'm thinking that view was, maybe, yours. Distilled through all that research you've been doing.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2497 Joined: |
I dont think he was saying that Wayne's line about supporting "white supremacy", while attacking black education levels, was his view. Ringo needs to learn before he talks.
I will find mainstream articles to clear up the confusion. I will provide a context. "Reeducation" and opposition to democracy (which was a "communist tool") were major right wing ideals during the 1960s. It had everything to do with blacks and war. Edit: I just found a November 2021 New Republic article. I found the "reeducation" issue briefly quoted. I will try to get it into its context. Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: |
It's not pot. He's high on something else.
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq |
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8683 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.0
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The question is still whether this disposition is yours. Regardless of who spoke which words, do you agree with this sentiment?
Knowing your propensity to obfuscate by losing track of the discussion, here is the view in question.
quote: After all the research you obviously put into this subject, to the point of minutia, do you now agree with the quote?Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2497 Joined: |
Let me start by introducing you to a lady named Angela Davis. I had sympathetic books on her for years but lost them. They were small old school paperbacks, which I took with me everywhere. I even donated one to a library. Enough about me.
Angela Davis earned a doctorate of philosophy, at Humboldt university. Nuff said (hint) (O yes, she was also the leader of the Communist Party USA) Let me introduce you to the fascist censor, John Wayne. Co founder of the Motion Picture Alliance for the Preservation of American Ideals (MPA) That founding was 1944, and he was made President in 1949. He was the "black list" maestro before he found one Joe McCarthy around 1952ish. He proudly ran screenwriter Carl Foreman out of the country. Directors Sam Wanamaker and Dalton Trumbo were blacklisted. Ironically, J Edgar Hoover "blacklisted" John Wayne in 1963
quote: Hoover used his power to block Wayne, due to his past affiliation with the John Birch Society (though Hoover was 100% ideologically identical to both Wayne & the JBS. Down to the last dotted "i". Probably a strange calculation on Hoover's part Now Angela Davis was fired from UCLA, in 1970, and that was the big 1971 Playboy question that got Wayne to make his most racist comments on record. But more background information is necessary.
quote: Communists were target - actual communists. Non communist blacks were also targeted, if they seemed to have a certain political bend. But actual communists lost their jobs, alot. Communism was a movement that was solidly against nationalism, and very much required democracy - in its purest form. Black Americans, in supporting civil rights, fought for democratic processes - with unobstructed voting rights. Revolutionary for the 1960s, as the right fides not actually exist. Here is an article, which I will begin with a description of the John Birch society founder, Robert Welch.
quote: That is the general background set, which was pretty much current with the 1971 John Wayne Playboy interview. Wayne was a 3 decade long blacklister, who was a Birch Society member as recently as the early 1960s. Wayne was blacklisted himself, by Hoover, but not for being a communist. Hoover did not want a Birch Society member to work, for the networks, on an FBI documentary. "Cancelled" was the culture that communists were living in. The black community was a massive target when it came to being labeled & stamped "brainwashed" - and communists were seen, by the government, as the brainwashed. Then you have the black PhD Angela Davis, at UCLA, while heading the Communist Party USA. Playboy asked John Wayne about the blacklist/cancel issue:
quote: It is about John Wayne supporting the "black list", and he is not concerned about college degrees. Blacks need to be kept in place until they have appropriate views. I know what he is saying. Make that one who gets what is going on. (The EvC crew feels Wayne was making a point about degrees. And the crew feels that they have a legit attack, on blacks, I assume. I see both steps as pure crap, but that is my view.) Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8683 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.0
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The EvC crew feels Wayne was making a point about degrees. And the crew feels that they have a legit attack, on blacks, I assume. What was said was that Wayne wasn't as "bad" (judgement call) as the modern Nazis of the republican party. You turn this into EvC's blanket support of racial discrimination as a legitimate attack on blacks. You sick fuck. And you go on and on thinking you're enlightening us with more old history that most of us here actually lived thru and participated in. If you're trying to say that Wayne was a white supremacist and a "rabid" (judgement call) racist, few here will disagree. If you're trying to say this whole society sucks rear tit at race relations, I don't think anyone here will disagree with that either. Contrary to your sophomoric recriminations most of us here at EvC know our history. We lived it. We were there. As is your habit in these pages you have misunderstood and continue to misrepresent and inflame what other posters say here. Your caustic inflammatory tone heightens the emotion of events that we already knew were heart wrenching because many of us lived them. So what are you going on about? Are you here to throw sand in everyone's face or do you have a legitimate topic to discuss? Edited by AZPaul3, : titleEschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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