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Topic: Who's the bigger offender: Conservatives or Liberals?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 430 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 514 of 773 (889994)
12-20-2021 11:08 AM
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Reply to: Message 507 by marc9000
12-18-2021 4:56 PM
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Re: Racism Is Not A One Way Street
marc9000 writes: It's probably safe to say that I'm the most hated poster at EvC of all time, far more than Faith or Buzzsaw.
I always liked Faith. She reminded me of a girl I once knew whose real name was Faith. And I always liked Buzsaw too, although I never knew any girls named Buzsaw. (I have known a few who might as well have been buzz-saws.) You? You're not even the biggest idiot around here. You're more of a standup comedian: "But seriously, folks, Trump did a good job..." Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha....
"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo
Member (Idle past 430 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 518 of 773 (890004)
12-21-2021 11:09 AM
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Reply to: Message 517 by Phat
12-21-2021 3:05 AM
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Re: George Wallace wins 90% of the black vote! Fiction?
Phat writes: I always liked John Wayne movies, though he was a tad too conservative for me.
He wasn't too conservative for me. I didn't agree with him on many things but I could respect his views. He wasn't as rabid as you and the modern "Republicans". In his movies, he was often sympathetic to Indians and Mexicans before it was fashionable.
Phat writes: I never stray left of the middle, though.
Your left hand is the one with the big "L" on it. I don't think you've ever seen it.
"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo
Member (Idle past 430 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: George Wallace wins 90% of the black vote! Fiction?
LamarkNewAge writes: John Wayne was an admitted white supremacist...
Less so than most in his day. (He died in 1979, you know.)
LamarkNewAge writes: ... he attacked the education level of black Americans.
So do I. Saying that somebody "should" be better educated is not rabid.
LamarkNewAge writes: Remember, most blacks opposed the Vietnam war,...
So did I.
LamarkNewAge writes: ... and Dr King was critical of far more than the single Vietnam War.
So am I.
LamarkNewAge writes: You can rest assured...
I don't rest assured about anything you say.
LamarkNewAge writes: ... that John Wayne would have attacked the Biden pullout of Afghanistan....
So do I. The troops shouldn't have been there in the first place, so I attack that too, but the way they were pulled out could have been handled better.
"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo
Member (Idle past 430 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: George Wallace wins 90% of the black vote! Fiction?
LamarkNewAge writes: Learn your history, Ringo.
We weren't talking about history. We were talking about John Wayne. As I tried to point out to you, it was a different time. White supremacy was a different thing when whites were supreme. Today, when whites are on the brink of losing their privilege, some want to take back supremacy by taking back rights from blacks, etc. That's a different thing from believing that blacks, etc. were not capable of handling rights.
"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo
Member (Idle past 430 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: George Wallace wins 90% of the black vote! Fiction?
Phat writes: Ringo thought John Wayne was making a call for more education funding in Mississippi ....
Don't put words in my mouth. My message was that John Wayne was more sympathetic to minorities than many or most people of his time. As for his politics, many or most Americans are rabid right-wingers today.
"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo
Member (Idle past 430 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: Ignorance of technical term "reeducation" might clue us into Ringo's "So do I" line.
LamarkNewAge writes: Ringo needs to learn before he talks.
That's good advice for anybody.  It's also a good idea to listen to what people say instead of making it all up in your own head.
"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo
Member (Idle past 430 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: Wannabe Conservative Thinkers
Sarah Bellum writes: Apparently I didn't extensively document an offhand pop culture reference.
That "offhand" reference was your entire post. If you want to make a point, make it.
"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo
Member (Idle past 430 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 556 of 773 (890174)
12-28-2021 11:15 AM
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Reply to: Message 552 by Phat
12-28-2021 8:01 AM
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Re: George Wallace wins 90% of the black vote! Fiction?
Phat writes: I dont want to take back anything from anyone. I would advise them to feel likewise. The slate is wiped clean.
Tell that to the bank. We've been through this before. Suppose your father leaves you a house but the mortgage isn't paid off. You don't want to "take anything back" - except the remaining payments of the mortgage. You want the bank to feel the same. You want them to wipe the slate clean. After the loan officer stops laughing, what do you think he'll say?
Phat writes: Reparations are a liberal social cause that will only add fuel to a fire that has been smoldering far too long.
See above. Making people pay their debts IS likely to make them mad. Is that a reason not to pay debts?
"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo
Member (Idle past 430 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 568 of 773 (890241)
12-30-2021 11:03 AM
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Reply to: Message 557 by Phat
12-29-2021 9:19 AM
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Re: George Wallace wins 90% of the black vote! Fiction?
Phat writes: It is not my duty to pay my countries "debts" from times before my own.
Of course you are. Germany was still paying off its World War ONE debts until recently. (If it makes you feel any better, Hitler agreed with you.)
Phat writes: The mortgage analogy is not applicable.
Tell us how it isn't. If you inherit a house, how do you not inherit the associated debts?
Phat writes: As far back in family history as i see we had no llegal obligations...morally or otherwise.
You seem to be confused about the distinction between legal and moral obligations. The laws were made by the same people who owned the slaves, so you can guess they would let themselves off the hook. But morally, if you inherit the benefits, how can you refuse to pay for them?
Phat writes: You cant sock a national bill to individuals and make them pay except by 2/3 vote.
You can't throw a scum-sucking asshole like Trump out of office either if the scum-sucking assholes in the Senate don't vote for it. Refusing to do what's right doesn't stop it from being right.
Phat writes: And its not our debt. If so one must legally document it and have the bill pass both houses.
Again, think about what's right, not what you can get away with legally.
Phat writes: And im not arguing against helping anyone except the justificatiin and method used.
You're arguing against paying your moral debts.
"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo
Member (Idle past 430 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 569 of 773 (890242)
12-30-2021 11:07 AM
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Reply to: Message 558 by Phat
12-29-2021 9:32 AM
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Re: George Wallace wins 90% of the black vote! Fiction?
Phat writes: Its not a racial issue. Its an economic and legal one.
So, by your logic, giving black children a second-rate education because we "can't afford" an equal education is an economic issue, not a racial one.
Phat writes: Im not out to exploit anyone nor be exploited.
But you're out to take advantage of your ancestors' exploitation.
"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo
Member (Idle past 430 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 570 of 773 (890244)
12-30-2021 11:19 AM
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Reply to: Message 562 by Phat
12-29-2021 5:38 PM
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Re: The Cult of "What's in it for ME?" Christianity as found in Phat.
Phat writes: My argument is that no government (especially a secular humanistic one) has any moral high ground....
The "moral high ground" isn't very high compared to the example that believers are setting. It's the old joke: We don't have to be more moral than the bear. We only have to be more moral than YOU.
Phat writes: ... nor should people be forced to give up the beliefs that they have in their heart for the alleged benefit of all.
Nobody's "forcing" you to give up your beliefs. They're not even asking you to give up your beliefs. They're asking you to pay your debts.
Phat writes: I believe that the rights of the family supersede the rights of government.
And you're wrong.. Remember the Good Samaritan?
"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo
Member (Idle past 430 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 582 of 773 (890717)
01-10-2022 10:57 AM
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Reply to: Message 573 by Phat
12-30-2021 3:40 PM
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Re: The Cult of "What's in it for ME?" Christianity as found in Phat.
Phat writes: I owe no debts.
Let's walk through it again: Your predecessors owned slaves. They obtained work from their slaves and didn't pay for it. They certainly owed a moral debt to their slaves. And you inherited the benefits of slave labor. So how do you not owe a moral debt for your inheritance? Try to actually answer the question instead of just deny, deny, denying.
Phat writes: No mortgage was ever signed.
Do you not understand what MORAL means? You owe what you owe, whether papers were signed or not. And by the way, the slaves couldn't sign papers because they weren't considered people. You might as well talk about asking your lawnmower to sign a contract.
Phat writes: If the government can determine and agree to debts that it owes, that's not my concern. I pay my taxes.
You contradict yourself. If the government decides to pay the collective "white debt" then it's your taxes that will pay it.
Phat writes: I won't pay my great grandfather's back taxes after he passed 100 years ago.
It makes no difference how long ago he died. Any debts attached to his estate have to be paid by his beneficiaries. If you don't pay the debts, you're not entitled to the estate.
"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo
Member (Idle past 430 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 584 of 773 (890721)
01-10-2022 11:11 AM
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Reply to: Message 578 by Phat
01-04-2022 4:25 PM
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Re: Your Accusations May Be Close
Phat writes: I feel like the one who is always stepping on people's toes and having to continually apologize and humble myself.
As you may know, in Canada we're going through a reconciliation process with our indigenous people. I expect it to take at least a generation (as the children of Israel had to wander in the wilderness for forty years until all of the older generation died off.) One indigenous lady about our age said, "If you step on my foot, I appreciate your apology - but you have to get off my foot." Apologies are empty. If you do something wrong, step one is to stop doing it. Then you can try to repair the damage you've done.
Phat writes: Two wrongs dont make a right, however.
There aren't two wrongs here. There's one wrong and you're trying to invoke a statute of limitations on repairing the damage.
"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo
Member (Idle past 430 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 585 of 773 (890722)
01-10-2022 11:13 AM
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Reply to: Message 583 by jar
01-10-2022 11:11 AM
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Re: The Cult of "What's in it for ME?" Christianity as found in Phat.
Phat writes: Remember that Phat used bankruptcy to get out of paying his debts.
Inability to pay is a valid excuse. Unwillingness to pay is not.
"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo
Member (Idle past 430 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: Wannabe Conservative Thinkers
Sarah Bellum writes: Hey, I made an offhand remark that you seized upon to manufacture a reason to waste time and bandwidth.
As I pointed out, that "offhand remark" was literally your entire post ( Message 343). And all I did was ask for clarification. YOU could just clarify instead of coming back months later to whine about it.
"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper
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