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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2422 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
I will respond but you seem ignorant of the fact that the FBI & Hoover were the first power in the country during King's lifetime.
You are ignorant of the fact that various laws prevented over 80% of blacks, in a large number of states, from being able to vote. Ringo thought John Wayne was making a call for more education funding in Mississippi (perhaps he is mistaking a rabid right winger, Wayne, with Republican Thad Cochrane? I don't know) I know you will spin that one away. Ringo was probably agreeing with John Wayne's "white supremacy" line, in ignorance. I will give Ringo that benefit. EDIT I will find a book quote and respond later. Hoover was king of the land. The FBI was not simply elite, but it was the government. Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2422 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
I dont think he was saying that Wayne's line about supporting "white supremacy", while attacking black education levels, was his view. Ringo needs to learn before he talks.
I will find mainstream articles to clear up the confusion. I will provide a context. "Reeducation" and opposition to democracy (which was a "communist tool") were major right wing ideals during the 1960s. It had everything to do with blacks and war. Edit: I just found a November 2021 New Republic article. I found the "reeducation" issue briefly quoted. I will try to get it into its context. Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2422 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Let me start by introducing you to a lady named Angela Davis. I had sympathetic books on her for years but lost them. They were small old school paperbacks, which I took with me everywhere. I even donated one to a library. Enough about me.
Angela Davis earned a doctorate of philosophy, at Humboldt university. Nuff said (hint) (O yes, she was also the leader of the Communist Party USA) Let me introduce you to the fascist censor, John Wayne. Co founder of the Motion Picture Alliance for the Preservation of American Ideals (MPA) That founding was 1944, and he was made President in 1949. He was the "black list" maestro before he found one Joe McCarthy around 1952ish. He proudly ran screenwriter Carl Foreman out of the country. Directors Sam Wanamaker and Dalton Trumbo were blacklisted. Ironically, J Edgar Hoover "blacklisted" John Wayne in 1963
quote: Hoover used his power to block Wayne, due to his past affiliation with the John Birch Society (though Hoover was 100% ideologically identical to both Wayne & the JBS. Down to the last dotted "i". Probably a strange calculation on Hoover's part Now Angela Davis was fired from UCLA, in 1970, and that was the big 1971 Playboy question that got Wayne to make his most racist comments on record. But more background information is necessary.
quote: Communists were target - actual communists. Non communist blacks were also targeted, if they seemed to have a certain political bend. But actual communists lost their jobs, alot. Communism was a movement that was solidly against nationalism, and very much required democracy - in its purest form. Black Americans, in supporting civil rights, fought for democratic processes - with unobstructed voting rights. Revolutionary for the 1960s, as the right fides not actually exist. Here is an article, which I will begin with a description of the John Birch society founder, Robert Welch.
quote: That is the general background set, which was pretty much current with the 1971 John Wayne Playboy interview. Wayne was a 3 decade long blacklister, who was a Birch Society member as recently as the early 1960s. Wayne was blacklisted himself, by Hoover, but not for being a communist. Hoover did not want a Birch Society member to work, for the networks, on an FBI documentary. "Cancelled" was the culture that communists were living in. The black community was a massive target when it came to being labeled & stamped "brainwashed" - and communists were seen, by the government, as the brainwashed. Then you have the black PhD Angela Davis, at UCLA, while heading the Communist Party USA. Playboy asked John Wayne about the blacklist/cancel issue:
quote: It is about John Wayne supporting the "black list", and he is not concerned about college degrees. Blacks need to be kept in place until they have appropriate views. I know what he is saying. Make that one who gets what is going on. (The EvC crew feels Wayne was making a point about degrees. And the crew feels that they have a legit attack, on blacks, I assume. I see both steps as pure crap, but that is my view.) Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2422 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
He split my paraphrase, of the racist line, up into 2 different quotes, and he commented on 2 parts.
A poster, about 5 posts later, said that I was misunderstanding Ringo because the fact that Ringo parsed John Wayne's sentence (Ringo was, again, using my paraphrase reference) therefore was proof enough that I misunderstood what he was saying. I have now provided the exact quote, of Wayne himself, with the entire Playboy question for context. I ask that Ringo performs a reboot, and quotes Wayne's offending sentence. (You can parse away Ringo, but do respond with whatever spirit you can conjure out of your head, or heart) (AzPaul placed an approval disc, on post 526, so he can tell us what he really thinks of the Wayne comment. He can parse, as well, if he so wishes)
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2422 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Kinda amazing how the only thing the American people care about are U.S. troop deaths, when we occupy another group of civilians in another land. ( And while we kill the crap out of far more of the population in the occupied countries, than we loose among our troops)
Then we wonder "What is going wrong, why cant we have an easy time? Why are troops getting shot at? What!?" So: We dont talk to the people of the invaded lands, to see what they want. We dont care about talking - period -, and especially to a diverse section of the invaded countries regions & ethnic groups. We offer the invaded people no ballot (with neither diverse nor simple questions/choices) to inform us. (No non-corrupt ballot, free of loaded questions and choices - essentially puppets for a prospective client state in-waiting, that needs to know its place/placement) We don't know anything about the people, really. We dont raise a diverse military, made of natives - in the occupied lands - who represent a well ironed-out consensus of THEIR PEOPLE. We just worry about "our intetests". So? What is the result when we imposes "U.S. intetests" on a people in a far away land, while we shoot & bomb the crap out of the humans living in the occupation zone (often an entire modern country), and while we send a message that "All we care about are U.S. troop casualties"? We have some examples from "our time". The time we are all responsible for. Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given. |
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2422 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Pretty please...
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2422 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Too good!
(Byron Dorgan used to joke about the way people labeled his anti-free-trade b.s.) "People say us critics of NAFTA are just a bunch of 'isolationist xenophobic stooges'" Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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