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Message 541 of 767 (890092)
12-24-2021 11:30 AM
Reply to: Message 528 by LamarkNewAge
12-23-2021 5:25 PM


Re: George Wallace wins 90% of the black vote! Fiction?
LamarkNewAge writes:

Learn your history, Ringo.


We weren't talking about history. We were talking about John Wayne.

As I tried to point out to you, it was a different time. White supremacy was a different thing when whites were supreme. Today, when whites are on the brink of losing their privilege, some want to take back supremacy by taking back rights from blacks, etc. That's a different thing from believing that blacks, etc. were not capable of handling rights.


"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Message 542 of 767 (890093)
12-24-2021 11:37 AM
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12-23-2021 8:49 PM


Re: George Wallace wins 90% of the black vote! Fiction?
Phat writes:

Ringo thought John Wayne was making a call for more education funding in Mississippi ....


Don't put words in my mouth.

My message was that John Wayne was more sympathetic to minorities than many or most people of his time. As for his politics, many or most Americans are rabid right-wingers today.


"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Message 543 of 767 (890094)
12-24-2021 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 536 by LamarkNewAge
12-23-2021 10:13 PM


Re: Ignorance of technical term "reeducation" might clue us into Ringo's "So do I" line.
LamarkNewAge writes:

Ringo needs to learn before he talks.


That's good advice for anybody.

It's also a good idea to listen to what people say instead of making it all up in your own head.


"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Message 544 of 767 (890095)
12-24-2021 4:56 PM


Ringo's direct commentary on John Wayne's "white supremacist" line in post 526
He split my paraphrase, of the racist line, up into 2 different quotes, and he commented on 2 parts.

A poster, about 5 posts later, said that I was misunderstanding Ringo because the fact that Ringo parsed John Wayne's sentence (Ringo was, again, using my paraphrase reference) therefore was proof enough that I misunderstood what he was saying.

I have now provided the exact quote, of Wayne himself, with the entire Playboy question for context.

I ask that Ringo performs a reboot, and quotes Wayne's offending sentence.

(You can parse away Ringo, but do respond with whatever spirit you can conjure out of your head, or heart)

(AzPaul placed an approval disc, on post 526, so he can tell us what he really thinks of the Wayne comment. He can parse, as well, if he so wishes)


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Message 545 of 767 (890096)
12-24-2021 5:15 PM
Reply to: Message 544 by LamarkNewAge
12-24-2021 4:56 PM


Re: Ringo's direct commentary on John Wayne's "white supremacist" line in post 526
AzPaul placed an approval disc, on post 526, so he can tell us what he really thinks of the Wayne comment.

I'm not the one who's bitchin so hard about it. I really don't give a fuck

The kiss I gave ringo was just because I like the guy. I don't need any other reason.

Why you bitchin so hard? What's your point?


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 546 of 767 (890098)
12-24-2021 5:35 PM
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12-24-2021 4:56 PM


Re: Ringo's direct commentary on John Wayne's "white supremacist" line in post 526
If you have a point here, it is not clear what that point is.

The entire Playboy interview can be found HERE. It's a pdf file, and the comment about Angela Davis is on page 7.

The views that Wayne expressed there (about politics) were probably similar to the views of many conservatives at that time. Ronald Reagan likely had similar views, though he would have expressed them with more subtlety.


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Message 547 of 767 (890100)
12-24-2021 5:55 PM
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12-24-2021 5:15 PM


Re: Ringo's direct commentary on John Wayne's "white supremacist" line in post 526
The kiss I gave ringo was just because I like the guy. I don't need any other reason.

If he's good enough for you, he's good enough for me.

Why you bitchin so hard? What's your point?

To me it looks like LNA rambles on about some asshole (Wayne, Hoover, etc.) in the past and some other incoherent rambling about obscure past events, and whenever someone says bullshit or who the fuck cares, to any part of it, LNA then tries to twist that into support for the asshole (Wayne, Hoover, etc.). That seems to be the only point he ever gets to.


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Message 548 of 767 (890101)
12-24-2021 6:06 PM
Reply to: Message 547 by Tanypteryx
12-24-2021 5:55 PM


an aside from the time.
Time is early 1960s.

Location is the University of Maryland.

A few of us are out taking a survey among the students on campus.

Clipboard in hand and a short two questions to ask and answers tallied.

Question 1: Should the US send military aid and troops to Vietnam?

Question 2: Should we intervene to aid our ally France that is facing an insurrection in French Indochina?

It was amazing how often we got a "No" on Question 1 and a "Yes" on Question 2.


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Message 549 of 767 (890102)
12-24-2021 6:21 PM
Reply to: Message 548 by jar
12-24-2021 6:06 PM


Re: an aside from the time.
jar writes:
It was amazing how often we got a "No" on Question 1 and a "Yes" on Question 2.

Kinda sorta similar to

Question 1: Do you approve of Obamacare?
Question 2. Do you approve of the Affordable Care Act?


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Message 550 of 767 (890103)
12-24-2021 6:45 PM


An aside from our time.
Kinda amazing how the only thing the American people care about are U.S. troop deaths, when we occupy another group of civilians in another land. ( And while we kill the crap out of far more of the population in the occupied countries, than we loose among our troops)

Then we wonder "What is going wrong, why cant we have an easy time? Why are troops getting shot at? What!?"

So:

We dont talk to the people of the invaded lands, to see what they want.

We dont care about talking - period -, and especially to a diverse section of the invaded countries regions & ethnic groups.

We offer the invaded people no ballot (with neither diverse nor simple questions/choices) to inform us.

(No non-corrupt ballot, free of loaded questions and choices - essentially puppets for a prospective client state in-waiting, that needs to know its place/placement)

We don't know anything about the people, really.

We dont raise a diverse military, made of natives - in the occupied lands - who represent a well ironed-out consensus of THEIR PEOPLE.

We just worry about "our intetests".

So?

What is the result when we imposes "U.S. intetests" on a people in a far away land, while we shoot & bomb the crap out of the humans living in the occupation zone (often an entire modern country), and while we send a message that "All we care about are U.S. troop casualties"?

We have some examples from "our time".

The time we are all responsible for.

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Message 551 of 767 (890146)
12-27-2021 6:50 PM
Reply to: Message 345 by ringo
11-23-2021 11:15 AM


Re: Wannabe Conservative Thinkers
Sigh.

Apparently I didn't extensively document an offhand pop culture reference.

Oh, well.


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Message 552 of 767 (890163)
12-28-2021 8:01 AM
Reply to: Message 541 by ringo
12-24-2021 11:30 AM


Re: George Wallace wins 90% of the black vote! Fiction?
Today, when whites are on the brink of losing their privilege, some want to take back supremacy by taking back rights from blacks, etc. That's a different thing from believing that blacks, etc. were not capable of handling rights.
I dont want to take back anything from anyone. I would advise them to feel likewise. The slate is wiped clean. Reparations are a liberal social cause that will only add fuel to a fire that has been smoldering far too long.

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(1894).


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Message 553 of 767 (890164)
12-28-2021 8:28 AM
Reply to: Message 552 by Phat
12-28-2021 8:01 AM


Have you ever read the Bible Phat?
Phat writes:

Reparations are a liberal social cause that will only add fuel to a fire that has been smoldering far too long.

One of the major Christian Rites is the confession where individuals honestly evaluate their behavior and acknowledge their manifold sins and wickedness, sincerely regret those acts, attempt to make amends and to try to not commit the same errors in the future.

Reparations are not a liberal cause but rather a Christian Duty.


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Message 554 of 767 (890165)
12-28-2021 8:33 AM
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12-28-2021 8:01 AM


Re: George Wallace wins 90% of the black vote! Fiction?
Phat writes:

The slate is wiped clean. Reparations are a liberal social cause that will only add fuel to a fire that has been smoldering far too long.

Yeah, policy decisions should be driven by whether they rile the racists.

--Percy


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ringo
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Message 555 of 767 (890173)
12-28-2021 11:06 AM
Reply to: Message 551 by Sarah Bellum
12-27-2021 6:50 PM


Re: Wannabe Conservative Thinkers
Sarah Bellum writes:

Apparently I didn't extensively document an offhand pop culture reference.


That "offhand" reference was your entire post. If you want to make a point, make it.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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