Who's the bigger offender: Conservatives or Liberals?

The Rittenhouse verdict might be a proper application of law, but it shouldn't be in my opinion. Rittenhouse took his gun and marched into a volatile situation in a way practically guaranteed to provoke threatening reactions, then shot those who seemed threatening to him. If Rittenhouse had stayed home no one would have been shot or murdered. His presence caused more chaos and deaths, not less.Shooting one person? It's believable the threat could have been real and legitimate. Shooting two people? That's straining credulity. Shooting three people? He was looking for it.Mitigating this perspective would be if other armed civilians had also shot people that night, but no one else was shot. The only person who shot anyone that night was Rittenhouse. If things were so volatile and dangerous out there that would not have been true.The prosecutor in the case effectively shredded the conservative argument that in the right hands - the "good guys" - guns promote public safety. That this is a fiction was obvious before Rittenhouse, and is even more obvious now.Conservatives are only inviting more injury and death by encouraging the introduction of more guns into more and more situations. That some police have been heard saying they're glad armed civilians have joined them in patrolling unrest is very scary, because that's a recipe for more injury and deaths, not less.Something about guns is exhilarating and intoxicating to some people. They'll never give up their guns - it's like a drug to them. While jar and I have different opinions, I don't see how anything he said suggests "that most blacks get shot." How is using the term white privilege unfair to white people? Who else besides white people are responsible for how blacks suffer disenfranchisement, discrimination, and victimization at the hands of the police and the law? No matter what label you put on it, that's all on whites. How is it "punishing white people" to accurately state that they're responsible for the plight of blacks? What "each case?" We're talking about systemic racism.--Percy

Marc, you're back, I should have known, I thought I detected a stench. We'll have to start calling you Sheldon. To help you become more aware of sarcasm, everything I say in this message will contain at least a hint of sarcasm.Yes, Marc, that's it. Everyone takes you so seriously that reading your ramblings sends them into a rage. God, you lucky stiff. For the rest of us this is all hard work.I guess you're the only one here for amusement while everyone else is enraged by your insightful observations. I thought we were only incredulous and appalled, but if you say we're in a rage then I guess we are. After all, when has anything you've said been false? What an incredibly accurate reading of what jar said!! You are just so astute! If you're looking for my reaction to that part of the discussion, just look at my message that appears immediately before yours. I even quoted the exact same words from jar. Gotta hand it to you, your powers of observation are unmatched. Well of course words mean something, like "right wing nut job." My, my, Sheldon, your dedication to truth and accuracy is unmatched! How inciteful! Wow, flipping the races, what an inspirational coup! Uh, could you explain the logic behind this one? Oh, sure, the mainstream media completely skipped over it, not one reported it, I've never even heard of Seattle, and The Guardian is not mainstream media. Ah, Marc, you got me, I made it up. That's just the kind of thing I do all the time, make things up. I'm sure this link is made up, don't bother clicking on it:'She was deep into it': Ashli Babbitt, killed in Capitol riot, was devoted conspiracy theorist | US Capitol attack | The Guardian. And if you do click on it then especially don't read the third paragraph, because what are the odds it's the very paragraph I quoted? Zero, right? 'Cause I always lie. You know what would be really ironic is if that link took you to the very same news source that you cited yourself, The Guardian. But, naw, what are the odds of that happening? Ah, such knowledge and discernment, knowing how Babbitt writes on Twitter. Yes I made it up, and then I hacked into Twitter so I could fake this Twitter post from Babbitt: You really got me, Marc. Can't put anything by you!On a more serious note, I've stopped providing links for information that most everyone knows already or that at least is so ubiquitous that anyone can find it with a simple Google search. Oh, Marc, you are just so sharp. Yes, that's precisely what I was saying. It just makes so much sense that Michael Byrd knew it was Ashli trying to break into the House Chambers *and* he knew what she'd said on Twitter. Why did I ever think I could fool you! Just so astute, Marc, absolutely remarkable. The possibility of a weapon not being visible, what are the chances of that, right? There could be no weapon in her backpack or a coat pocket or pants pocket. It would have been perfectly safe to let her through the smashed glass and walk among members of the House of Representatives. Of course she would have had to look under chairs to find them. Seriously again for one paragraph, as you'd know if you'd read my stuff, I am against almost all officers (and everyone else) having guns. Of course there should be questions and an investigation, and if anyone was found to have broken a law then they should be put on trial. So far Michael Byrd was found to have performed his duties admirably, while 702 insurrectionists have been charged, and 129 have pleaded guilty. For those deciding to go before a jury, there hasn't been enough time yet for trials to happen. Yeah, that's it, you got it, he shot into a crowd, despite what you can see on video. We don't want you to have any doubts that you are absolutely right, so be sure not to view this video, especially at time 1:39: Video Shows Fatal Shooting of Ashli Babbitt at U.S. Capitol – NBC Boston (sorry, couldn't embed it) Right you are, Marc. That Michael Byrd, just a cold blooded killer. Yep, no racism in your family, you got it all. Yeah, exactly, you got that right, Jack. It's no biggie that Michael Byrd's in hiding because of threats from all the far right wing nuts. White people just have it so bad in this country, Michael Byrd should just shut his trap and bask in the wonderfulness of being black. I bet you wish you were black. Yeah, that would have been the right thing to do, but the Republicans nixed a joint commission. Why investigate anything that took place under a Republican administration? Everyone knows Republicans never screw up or do anything wrong, just ask any Republican. The Democrats are having to do the investigative work all by themselves. Just so discerning, Marc, realizing that a gun discharging all by itself and shooting a bullet into the air that kills someone are both freak accidents. But strangely enough, the guy who fired the round into the air was charged with manslaughter.Here's another "freak accident" for you. Over a half century ago a woman driving on a New York expressway was hit by a random bullet and died. A detective figured it out. A couple men out in the harbor were taking potshots at debris in the water. One bullet caromed off the water and on toward the expressway. The man was charged with manslaughter for this "freak accident."So once again, congratulations for your discernment.--Percy

Such astounding modesty! Yep, it's all about you, Marc. Even when it's not remotely about you, it's all about you, a legend in your own mind.So, no actual insight or even a clue for how Phat came to deserve the "lying little shit" appellation? Just let your wisdom pour down upon us.--Percy

Yes, Marc, you're right on top of things again, those are the exact points people were disputing. They must be what people were disputing, else why would you use them as your examples of you telling the truth? You would never cite irrelevant examples, oh no, not you. Quite clearly people must have been disputing that Byrd is black, alive and not lynched. Thank you for pointing that out. Glad to see you have no inflated self-importance. You've got it exactly right. Everyone views you as the most consequential figure here. It's not that the levels of delusions, misrepresentations, lying and racism you display draws lots of attention no matter who does it (e.g., Phat, just a few days ago). It's good to know that it's actually that you're just hated, for no reason I guess. Oh, you are too kind, because as we all know the misrepresentation of the events of January 6th was far worse than that. Democrats built it up into some kind of giant insurrection thing when it was merely, as a Republican congressman informed us, like a mere tourist visit. Just so clever, Marc, answering a question with another question that makes clear that invading the halls of Congress with the intent of halting the constitutionally mandated certification of the electoral college after a presidential election and where congresspeople hid under chairs is equivalent to the threat to life and limb of a riot in Seattle where no one was killed. Don't forget cars on roads, that puts people at risk, too, and so is also equivalent to the January 6th insurrection. Great point, Marc! Pure genius, Marc, misrepresenting what I've said. After all, who will remember that my actual position is that almost no police should have guns. What are the odds that I'd think that the most important officials in the land and the most important building in the country should have armed protection?And noting, for a second time, that Babbitt did not visibly possess firearms. Brilliant! Well now I just feel bad, but who could ever have imagined that your ability to inform yourself was so weak? We apologize for picking on you for your ignorance about something you insisted on talking about as if you were informed. From Wikipedia:

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Oh, yes, Marc, just so many trials of white police officers: On-Duty Shootings: Police Officers Charged with Murder or Manslaughter, 2005-2019. Give it a read - interesting stuff. 104 nonfederal officers charged with murder or manslaughter over 15 years or 7 per year. And how many people are murdered by police on average each year? Take a peek at this graph for the last five years taken from People shot to death by U.S. police, by race 2022 | Statista: Looking at the last full year, 2020, there were 2021 police murders and only 7 police officers charged. Also look at the disproportionate numbers for blacks, who are only 13% of the population but 24% of the police murders. How could it be that blacks are murdered at nearly twice their proportion of the population? But I bet good old Marc has a ready answer, maybe that they're criminal anyway and had it coming. And once again your bias and ignorance comes to the fore. Oh, evasion combined with counterattack, just the right tactic. Who could ever believe you're racist anyway? No one believes you really mean all the racist things you say.--PercyEdited by Percy, : Grammar.

Ah, Marc, we never tire of hearing you tell us something isn't reported by the media. Isn't what you really mean is that you didn't see it on ABC World News Tonight, which as a half hour program averaging only four or five stories a night can only cover a limited number of events. And might you also concede that your memory is maybe just the teensiest tiniest bit selective? Why, thank you for this quote from a white supremacist website. We don't get a lot of that here, so thank you. I'm curious, though. Why did you complain about name calling when called a white supremacist in a prior message but now are quoting from a white supremacist website? Another brilliant stroke! AZPaul3 had responded to your question about why there are "no memorials to white, dope-head crooks, like there are for George Floyd," and you responded in a way to completely hide that fact. The bust is of George Floyd but as a memorial it's a symbol of the effects of and fight against racism. I just gotta say you sound like such a nice person, full of compassion and discernment.--Percy

Just rain the truth down upon us! Hallelujah!And I am just so hurt that you would even consider depriving us of your joyful presence. Oh, Marc, do not sell yourself short! Your obliviousness to sarcasm far surpasses Sheldon! You are an inspiration! What an incredibly astute observer you are! Nothing gets by you! Yes, we liberals (of which I'm not one, but thank you for giving me honorary membership) are in a tiny cocoon. We know nothing of the many things you tell us happened that never actually happened. You are a blessing! Positively scintillating! Why did we never think of that? READ! Of course! You saw through my attempt at a clever ploy of passing the phrase "I guess" off as a figure of speech - you knew right away I was actually guessing about whether or not we're in a rage. Exactly, makes perfect sense. You demonstrate once again how you far surpass us. We can only hope that one day we'll achieve your level of enlightenment, perhaps in our dotage! Absolutely radiant. Right on the marc, again! Uh, where did jar say "that most blacks get shot" again? You've performed another brilliancy by leaving out the quote of what you said that I was responding to, and then replying as if you'd said something else. You're definitely in top form! Right, throw in a complete irrelevancy, confuse the other side. I'll be trying to figure out what the heck you're referring to for weeks. Enlighten us if the mood strikes. Are you sure? Because you don't sound sure. You should be sure, because I told you I faked it. Didn't you believe me? Briefly waxing serious, no, of course not. I believe most situations don't call for police shooting to kill. Big Twitter fan here! I'm on Twitter 40 or 50 hours a day, and that's in addition to my 50 or 60 hours on Facebook! Statistics show that conservatives are 26.74% more nasty on Twitter than liberals, but only 17.92% more nasty on Facebook. Everything I'm saying is 100% true, you can trust me, including the part about trusting me, and that last part, too, and...oh my, I'm exhausting myself, time to exit this loop. The forum rules have been in need of revision for over a decade. Are you volunteering? You revise, I review. Can't fool you, Marc, can I? That's exactly what I was saying. You're just so spot on. It's remarkable how you never run down ratholes of misinterpretation. You're just perfect! Got me again, Marc. Yep, Percy the fliip-flopper they call me. I actually gained that appellation back in grad school for my overreliance on flip-flops in my digital designs, but it turned out to be appropriate for different reasons later on, as you've now discovered. Uh, what was my flip-flop this time, it's so easy to lose track. Just uncanny how well you get to the truth. Caught me again! And your racist tracts and denials do so deserve an answer. But certainly no one would consider treating you like a joke as an answer. Naw, no way! And that's what we see in your messages, Marc, just so much information and logic. We're actually inundated, drowning even, in your information and logic. Stop, enough already, we can't take anymore! Thank you for this list of blacks that are the "right kind" according to you. Every racist has his "Hey, I'm not a racist" arguments. There's the "Some of my best friends are black" argument. There's the "I never use black racial slurs" argument. There's the "I work with blacks" argument. There's the "I admire plenty of black folks" argument. There's the "I abhore slavery" argument. Thank you for your contribution to the meme. Oh, I so want to take a guess. Is it that they appeared in a list of blacks provided by a racist arguing that he's not a racist? My gosh, right again, he's been in hiding since January 6th even before his name was leaked onto some right wing websites. How do you do it! My memory's a bit fuzzy now after the passage of so much time, but didn't you just brag about how full of information and logic you are? You're just joshing us now, right? You really know that Byrd spoke publicly for the first time at the end of August, right? And that that was when we found out he was in hiding because his name had been leaked to some right wing websites, right? And that he hasn't spoken publicly again since then, right? And why would he stay in hiding anyway since those far right wing nuts are such a peaceful and forgiving bunch. I still think fondly of how that gentle far right wing nut repeatedly "touched" the police shield he'd borrowed from a policeman who was having trouble standing against a window of the Capitol building until the glass shattered so that his mates could enter the building and prowl around looking for congressmen to congratulate. I'm sure they've calmed down by now and are no longer threatening Michael Byrd and his family with violence. I'm sure they're all friends of yours, so say "hi" for me! Oh, the poor gun owners! Let us pause a moment and extend our heartfelt sympathies to Ethan Crumbley and his parents James and Jennifer Crumbley for the horrible time they're going through now what with all their legal troubles in the wake of the unfortunate incident at Oxford High School in Michigan where so many students just rudely refused to get out of the way of Ethan's bullets.Gotta hand it to Crumbley's parents, though, hiring a topnotch legal team for themselves while leaving their son to scavenge a public defender. Ah, the smell of racism! We always know when you're around!--Percy

I'll let everyone decide for themselves whether I'm being fair to Marc. My own feelings are that the lies, the gaslighted racism, the false claims and accusations, the fabrications, the inhumanity, and so on, were not finding effective counters as Marc would just ignore them by disappearing, wait a random amount of time, then return and perform the same act again.Views not arrived at by reason cannot be countered by reason and should not be treated seriously. Mockery, disdain, scorn and ridicule are more appropriate responses to the determinedly irrational.My own personal opinion is that I'm not being unfair to Marc because the lies he's telling are the dangerous and divisive Trumpian ones that have divided the country and turned the Republican party into zombies. Ask any Republican whether Biden won the election fairly and the most likely response is bunch of hogwash. I feel these ideas should be challenged in the most compelling ways possible. I find the mainstream media to be as much milquetoasts as the president, for example, gently chiding the Republican party for its highly effective efforts at voter disenfranchisement.--Percy

Are you wearing fact repellant?--Percy

Replying to all your messages here. Message 482: It's actually the opposite. It contradicts what you said about Byrd firing into a crowd. Here's the frame from the video just before Byrd pulls the trigger. He's firing practically perpendicular to the door. I'm sure everyone is for all these things and wishes Ashli Babbit hadn't been shot and killed, but she was about to enter the House chambers while there were still members who hadn't been evacuated. Yeah, well, it's all fun and games until someone gets hurt. If Rittenhouse had stayed home, no lives would have been lost. The mainstream media and the Democrats are your "go to" guys when you need to blame someone for something you made up. Again, no one would have been killed had Rittenhouse stayed home. Whenever you make a very specific claim about something you saw on ABC World News Tonight, when I look it up I find you're wrong. Here's a different video showing the same moment just before the trigger was pulled. Go to time 0:23: You're making things up again.You often step so far outside reality that I'm beginning to wonder, perhaps what you think is outrage is just people rolling their eyes. The House couldn't ignore a president inciting insurrection and staging a coup in order to remain in office after losing an election. It would have set a very bad precedent. If convicted Trump would have been unable to hold national office again. As dwise1 clearly said, it was part of the presentation by Rep. Ted Lieu made to the House impeachment committee. Once again you accuse the mainstream media of being deceived by and promoting lies, but it turns out the one lying is you. Smollett reported his faked attack on January 29, 2019, it was all over the media, and from then on the media reported what the police told them, which was that over the next month Smollett's phone records led them to two Nigerians who said Smollett had paid them to stage the attack. By February 20, 2019, Smollett had already been named as a suspect by the police. All this was reported in the media. Yeah, well, sorry about any attacks and name calling, but doesn't that happen a lot to liars and racists? Message 483: It was racism, not inspiration, behind your insistent focus on Byrd's blackness. Message 484: It seems very important to your sense of self to believe that people find you annoying. I think maybe you don't know what cherry picking is. What you did is the epitome of cherry picking. That's your strategy, pretending profound ignorance? Message 486When wrong just change the subject, I guess. So to you, when a policeman kills someone who isn't a threat but allegedly committed an illegal act, it isn't murder. No one was disputing Bryd's race and living/dead status. Why you chose to claim something so absurd I can't imagine. Nothing jar said could have made your lie into a truth. You're either feigning ignorance or are remarkably poorly informed. It was your people the congresspeople were hiding from. You seem remarkably tone deaf to the significance of the events of that day. Of course you saw it, else you would never have said, "You should ask Percy that one, he doesn't believe police should have guns." If you'd remembered the "almost" then you might have paused to wonder if I might consider officers guarding the halls of Congress to be one class of police who should have guns. No, that's wrong, and what I actually said was barely an inch away. I said that almost no one should have guns, including the police. You're half racist, half troll, and half off the wall. Assuming you mean official investigations by government agencies, there have been no investigations of Trump's personal life. The investigation of George Floyd's death would have gone nowhere if the Frazier video had not been made public. Here's what the Minneapolis Police Department originally said:

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There would be an investigation, but the whitewash was already in the mail. But after the Frazier video went viral the next day the Minneapolis Police Department added this line to their statement:

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And the rest is history. The MPD would take 10 months to make police body camera footage public, and it told the same story as the Frasier video. The MPD knew precisely what had happened before the Frasier video became public and had already planned to cover up the Floyd murder.So why do you think a more thorough investigation is needed when there was already video, Byrd has already described what he did and what his thought process was, and it comports with the available evidence and with the testimony of available witnesses. Usually deeper investigations are only conducted when there's been some hint of a coverup, such as in the George Floyd case, but there seems no evidence of that here. The only reason you've given for investigating further is that you don't like that Byrd is black, which surprises no one. So that's your excuse for racism, that they commit more crimes? Are you taking into account that blacks are targeted by police far more often? That the poverty that can drive crime is a result of slavery at the hands of whites, Jim Crow at the hands of white, and discrimination at the hands of whites? Actually, you're just making up arbitrary criteria to excuse the inexcusable. Thank you for providing what you think is another excuse for your racism. New Hampshire is 1.6% black. The city next door has an area just like the one you described, except that it's almost completely white. The conditions you're describing are a result of poverty, lack of opportunity, poor education, etc. Whites and blacks fall into poverty for many of the same reasons, the main difference being that blacks have the additional disadvantage of being the objects of racist discrimination by people like you. Your hate deprives minorities of opportunity which in turn forces them into lifestyles you find distasteful, and then you hate them for living in ways that your hate drove them into. Nice work! Is it racist to ignore the fact of the impact of your racism? That's rhetorical, by the way, there's only one possible correct answer. You are amazing in how unashamed your racism is. Making exceptions to your "if they're black they lack" rule doesn't mean you're not a racist. Southern slaveholders used the same logic as you. "They're just animals, look at the way they live," said slaveholders, ignoring that the slave's living conditions were what slaveholders themselves had provided. Black circumstances today are the result of white racism. That they've managed to improve their circumstances in the face of continued and determined racism like yours is remarkable. It's no one's fault but yours that you decide to remain in a den of non-racists where your racism will be criticized. An obvious lie. You defined racism pretty well in your post by exhibiting it over and over again, and none of it mentioned Democrats, the left, or ideology. You used crime and out-of-wedlock pregnancies and so forth as justifications for your racism. Message 488: Here's American Renaissance describing themselves:

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We also believe that whites, like all racial groups, have legitimate interests that must be defended. The defense of those interests is white advocacy. We seek to advance only those interests that we recognize and would defend for all other racial groups. We seek no advantages as whites — only the expression of preferences for our own people and culture that are taken for granted by people of other races but denied to us.

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I poked around their website a little - I see where a lot of your "how to deny being a racist while acting like a racist" rhetoric comes from.It isn't the statistics from American Renaissance I distrust but any reasoning attached to them. Now there's a novel justification of racism: "My racism against blacks is justified by black racism against whites." Of course it's possible for blacks to be racist, but there's no more justification for it than for white racism, though you might recall that I earlier noted that black anxiety and fear of whites is understandable.--PercyEdited by Percy, : Grammar.

It's good to see that your megalomania is doing well. I checked in on them a few times a year or two ago, but not since. It's not necessary to watch them because Fox News writes "news" stories about much of what they say that appear in the Google News aggregator. You talk frequently about outrage and anger and hate. If it's anything like the outrage and anger and hate you keep talking about in this thread then it's fictional. And racist. You're so consequential around here that the administrators have daily marathon meetings about what to do about you. I'm making that up, of course. It isn't the nature of one's opinions that makes one a bad citizen here but the way in which one participates. You're fine. Your views are distasteful and provocative and an illustration of why the country is traveling so dismal a path concerning race, but you haven't severely crossed any Forum Guidelines lines yet. If it's important to your sense of self to believe you're engaged in a high risk game of suspension brinksmanship then go right ahead, but your concern is misplaced. Administrators cannot moderate in threads they're participating in.There was a virulent racist here around 2004, can't remember his alias. If you can find his posts perhaps you can learn how to get suspended. It's Jefferson, it's famous: "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." There has been no more divisive political figure in American politics than Trump since perhaps Andrew Jackson. He made no secret that he was president for only some of the people, not all of the county. Good example of just the kind of hogwash I was talking about. Yes, still a good description of why we reply to claims so obviously absurd that they need no response. I referred to Republican efforts on voting as disenfranchisement, but you seem to be saying it would be better to say they're defrauding voters? Well, yes, I guess that's true, but I think the term disenfranchisement is more accurate.--PercyEdited by Percy, : Grammar.

I think I know how Michele Obama feels in that ice cream story. As a male in a grocery store I sometimes feel invisible to some females, like I don't exist. I can see you yearn for the good old days when blacks knew their place. Racism wasn't just generations ago. Racism is now. You're an example. Yes, a lot of racists like you are saying, "Enough with the racial progress already." It's figures you'd find a made-up quote. See Did LBJ Say 'I'll Have Those N*****s Voting Democratic for 200 Years'? | Snopes.com. This is a very weird thing to say. I try, though probably don't succeed, to keep all personal information private except the state where I live. Evidently you're a racist and a scaremonger and a paranoid. My thinking doesn't parallel yours in any way. The phrase had to be set off somehow, which is often done with quotes - would you have preferred italics? You're a terrible judge of character. You like Sowell not because of his character but his politics. Slavery in the United States predates 160 years ago (1861), it predates the Democrats (1828), and it even predates the Constitution (1787). Thank you for this further expression of your prejudice and hate. Yes, exactly, that's precisely the kind of racist reasoning that leads me to distrust racist tracts like American Renaissance. Out of wedlock births have been rising across almost all races for almost a century. The black number began from a higher base. There's a black supremacist movement? Who knew! Such attitudes are as false and dangerous as white supremacy. I think you don't know what a coverup is, and the rest of it is made-up nonsense I think it was more repugnance we were feeling, not anger. You're not making sense. You referred to "the descriptions I got" (not "MY VIEWS"), and I called them made up. In Byrd you just saw yet another black to cast your racist views at. You're lying again. No one called you racist for innocuous statements. If you'd confined your statements to the color of grass and school buses no one would have any idea you're racist, but you didn't. Instead you've gone on a lengthy campaign to justify your racism. To you your racism is okay because blacks commit too much crime and have too many out-of-wedlock births and live in too much squalor. To you this excuses your attitudes and behavior that keep blacks locked in as second class citizens.About dwise1's description of Ted Lieu's account, I can't see why you think some of the information you quoted came from Ted Lieu and some came from dwise1. Everything dwise1 said came from Ted Lieu, none from dwise1. Dwise1 only presented it. The writing is pretty clear, I really can't help you resolve your confusion. That it would be sensationalized was likely a large part of Smollett's motivation. More racism. Of course they're your people. You all believe most of the same things, and they especially share your racism. There's a House investigation into this now that includes why the capitol was so poorly defended. We're all aware of the ease with which you concoct excuses for your racism.--Percy

But it *was* about race, just as how I'm sometimes treated in the grocery store is about gender. It's pretty common for people to be able to tell when they're being treated differently. Treating people differently because of the color of their skin is racism, and being aware that you're being treated differently because of the color of your skin is definitely not racism. Yes, I know, you racists want blacks to stop being so uppity and to just accept the lot in life that racists have assigned them and make the best they can of it. If it was good enough for Sowell then it should be good enough for them. But aren't blacks more equal than whites since they get pulled over more often, denied housing more often, arrested more often, tied up in the court system more often, imprisoned more often? I didn't argue for or against Lyndon Johnson. I just pointed out that you used a fake quote to support your false arguments about Democrats and race. You don't deny being a racist, so "If they're black they lack" is a pretty concise statement of the way you think. That would be incorrect. There *are* black supremacist organizations, which was news to me, but BLM isn't one of them. Ironic that someone like you can't spell "phony". Yes, I know, you've said this before. You wish blacks would just stop intruding upon white prerogatives and sensibilities, as in the days of Jim Crowe. "We're the bright young men who wanna go back to 1910, we're Barry's boys. We're the kids with a cause, yes a government like grandmama's, we're Barry's boys." (from Barry's Boys by the Chad Mitchell Trio). Of course they were part of Ted Lieu's account. I don't see why you're having so much trouble understanding simple English. Lieu recounted how all the TV's in the green room were tuned to different channels covering the impeachment proceedings and that when video of the insurrection was shown all the stations would show it except one: Fox News. They'd either cut to commentators or to a commercial.I don't get why this is so difficult for you to understand. Dwise1 wrote in pretty plain English. Well that's nonsense, because one of the attitudes you definitely share with them is racism. Many of the arguments Trump lawyers made in court were about race, because they often targeted black districts for their false charges of voter fraud. No one accused you of supporting insurrection, but your views are pretty much the same ones as the insurrectionists concerning the election and race, and you do support the insurrectionist-in-chief. Had you been at the capitol that day the odds are pretty good that you would have walked into the building after it was breached and wandered around the rotunda taking selfies.The insurrectionists are your people I don't deal with life through a veil of hate like you do. This doesn't capture my views at all. Another lie. Prove me wrong.--PercyEdited by Percy, : Typo.

Yeah, policy decisions should be driven by whether they rile the racists.--Percy

I think you must need the eggs.--Percy

You are too much an idiot these days for an intelligent exchange to develop out of this, but you have to be called on it. "Implying" is far to mild a word for what I'm doing. I'm flat out calling you a racist. Reparations for years of exploitation and discrimination at the hands of racism is not a racial issue? Really? Racists being called on their racism frequently complain that the race card is being played. Just to help you comprehend the absurdity of your position, if you were doing this back in the 1950's, you'd accuse those complaining about blacks being thrown off white lunch counters of playing the race card.That expressions of racism today are often different and more subtle does not mean it's not racism. The falseness of your denials is obvious. You've developed an irrational paranoid fear of being exploited and are supporting policies that you believe guarantee anyone but you (usually those least able to defend themselves politically like minorities and immigrants) will be exploited.The reality has been explained to you many times, to no avail. Just stick to buying your fool's gold - it does the least harm to the country.It's ironic that the political and religious beliefs you've combined guarantee you'll end up in hell.--Percy