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Author Topic:   Business ideas, is it right that the originator of successful ideas don't benefit?
LamarkNewAge
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Message 16 of 23 (890185)
12-28-2021 7:49 PM


Roughly 100% (99%+)of writings, art, and music are lost forever
That is the bigger problem, by far.

But as for copyrights:

Issues of "fair use" need a total revamp.

There is a high expense for getting permission to reproduce a cut of art, in a book. There should be a progressive fee, depending on the book genre, profits of book, educational value, etc. The lucrative fiction novel industry should probably be taxed to fund certain serious non-fiction types of work (scholarly books require an army of experts tut o produce, and there are few people who are interested in purchasing the product).

The copyright should expire much sooner than the law has it, now.

Perhaps proper credits should accompany reproductions.


  
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Message 17 of 23 (890186)
12-28-2021 7:52 PM


Wikipedia can fund the site through advertising. Nothing stops it.
Wikipedia is limited by copyright laws, as there is a limit to what can be a "fair use" quote.

I think wikipedia allows for articles, of its own, to be copied.


  
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Message 18 of 23 (890187)
12-28-2021 8:00 PM


Nothing stops YouTube from collecting advertising dollars.
There was an issue, for a trailblazer music site. NAPSTER, over making sure music artists got royalties. That site charged for music downloads.

Required advertising for reproductive of certain works, can guarantee revenue for copyright holders.

There should be a way to ensure the public access, and that assurance should be the main issue. Revenue collection could be an issue, but the rights of the public to be informed should be the immediate priority. Then the secondary revenue issue comes, but it is a distant issue in terms of importance


  
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Message 19 of 23 (890190)
12-28-2021 8:55 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Percy
12-28-2021 9:49 AM


Perhaps unexploited is the wrong way to describe it. There are other investors who are doing what I'm doing. Just very very few and we don't advertise it. So you could say it is a sector of the real estate investment market that is largely unexploited or ignored by mainstream investors. Some would call it a unicorn.

Look at it this way. The mainstream real estate investment market at large have so many people trying to get a piece of the pie that they stumble over each other to get the next hottest thing. The result is always the same: overpriced investment properties with very lousy ROI. This is why it takes years and years and years to get to anything close to replacing your full time job with real estate passive income, unless of course you were already rich.

With largely unexploited gaps in the market, one can get to net passive income much faster than traditionally. Took me 2.5 years for my net passive income to surpass my 6 figures job as an engineer. I sometimes feel that the guy who gave me this idea was cheated out of all this by his inability to follow thru with this idea. In fact, all the people who came up with great ideas but never followed thru with their ideas are cheated out of their share by their inability to implement their ideas. Instead of doing something about it, they like to cloud talk about it.

Disclaimer: I have no intention selling anything so please don't ask.

Edited by coffee_addict, : No reason given.


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Message 20 of 23 (890191)
12-28-2021 10:24 PM
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12-28-2021 8:55 PM


Well done!

In fact, all the people who came up with great ideas but never followed thru with their ideas are cheated out of their share by their inability to implement their ideas.

Yeah, but they cheated themselves, by never doing anything. Shit, I thought of ebay years earlier! That's why you cannot copy right or patent an idea. To do that, it has to be a tangible piece of work.

You can get credit for an idea though, if your write and publish it in a story, for example. Like Arthur C. Clarke's artificial satellites.

People have been cheated out of their own actual accomplishments many, many times. Thousands of women in science whose work has been unrecognized come to mind.


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Message 21 of 23 (890256)
12-30-2021 12:29 PM
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12-28-2021 10:24 PM


I wonder... any idea of there being a case in the past where a person sued an entrepreneur for stolen idea that they did not implement and won? Not patented idea. Just something they came up with and told people to impress them.

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Message 22 of 23 (890257)
12-30-2021 12:36 PM
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12-30-2021 12:29 PM


I'm not aware of any, but I'm often surprised by court verdicts.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

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Message 23 of 23 (890258)
12-30-2021 12:53 PM
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12-30-2021 12:29 PM


15 to 20 years ago, the aerospace company I worked at had been able to defend itself in an intellectual property infringement lawsuit, though just barely as I seem to recall.

Part of the defense against such lawsuits is to maintain a real-time history of the development of a design in the form of design notes that can be properly dated. As I recall, we were able to provide those but just because that individual engineer kept his lab notes that way.

As a result, all engineers were given special notebooks in which we were to keep the same kind of dated and detailed design notes. Since I was a software engineer, my code was self-documenting (along with the version histories in our source repository).

So if someone would want to sue you for stealing their idea, they would need to show some record of having come up with that idea before you did. And since it is possible for a number of people to come up with the same idea independently* he would also need to show that you had gotten your idea from him, though I cannot think how.

FOOTNOTE *:

My ex-wife had come up with ideas for books or movies, but which she never shared, that years later were made by somebody else (eg, "Escape from New York") and I have come up with a few technical ideas myself which I never shared and which later appeared as products. Great minds think alike. A time-travel agency sci-fi book series (Agent of T.E.R.R.A., guess when that was published) even went into several instances of key inventions (eg, calculus) being developed by several people independently such that if the one who got the credit had been killed that invention would still have made with someone else getting the credit.


ABE:

Does anyone recall the scandalous voter fraud that Sidney Powell discovered in Edison County, MI? But it turns out that there is no such county! (eg, Election lawsuit cites fraud in Michigan county that does not exist, Detroit Free Press, 01 Dec 2020) . That one was almost as schadenfreudilicious as the charges of fraud in the Wisconsin election taking place in the election center in Detroit (which is in Michigan, not Wisconsin).

At that time, I looked up Edison County in Wikipedia and it redirected me to the Fictitious entry article. There's a common practice in publishing public information to prevent someone else plagiarizing your work, or at least to be able to prove in a lawsuit that they had indeed stolen your work.

That practice is to insert false entries. False names and phone numbers in a phone book. False words in a dictionary. False locations in a map or atlas. Deliberately misspelled words in specific places in pages of text. IOW, inject errors. If any of those errors also show up in the plagiarizer's publication, then that's proof that they copied it from you. I first heard of this practice over two decades ago when NCSE Reports published an article on pseudogenes caused by mechanisms such as Endogenous retrovirus (ERVs), the patterns of which can be used to show common inheritance and relatedness between species.

Edited by dwise1, : ABE, also "So if someone would want to ... "


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