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Author Topic:   Do you have Questions for a Gnostic Christian?
PaulK
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Message 31 of 150 (890270)
12-30-2021 4:15 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Greatest I am
12-30-2021 3:23 PM


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Read my last to another Paol, and I think you will see that it is all a communal ownership of all men and women that is implied, and to Christians, that full sharing is called Heaven.

That seems to be a rather questionable interpretation when the text explicitly states that “He brought the female to be with the male in common and in the same way united all the animals”, “…all can share her…”, “…he has implanted in males a strong and ardent desire which neither law nor custom nor any other restraint is able to destroy…” and “…by the words Your neighbors wife he says something even more ludicrous, since he forces what should be common property to be treated as private posession”.

It sounds like incel bullshit to me.


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Message 32 of 150 (890271)
12-30-2021 4:56 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by Greatest I am
12-30-2021 2:37 PM


Re: Gnostic What?
GIA writes:

More or less, but I have Gnosis.


Yeh, that's the added woo.

If you give me your address I'll send you my razor and you shave off the fake Christian crap. You'll feel so much lighter. And you wouldn't have to explain yourself all the time.

But maybe that's what you like about it? Do you feel special?


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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 33 of 150 (890273)
12-31-2021 3:04 AM


About "right wing" vs. "left wing".
Every right winger I have ever talked to (white,black, etc.) has agreed with me that we need 5 million legal immigrants per year.

I only want to punch left wingers on the face, as they want fewer.

Change the laws, and I will punch any Democrat in the face. Snitches. Gun carriers. Damn Democrats.

Don't buy the left/right crap.


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Message 34 of 150 (890274)
12-31-2021 8:22 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by LamarkNewAge
12-31-2021 3:04 AM


classic post from the playground bully.
LNA writes:

Every right winger I have ever talked to (white,black, etc.) has agreed with me that we need 5 million legal immigrants per year.
I only want to punch left wingers on the face, as they want fewer.

Change the laws, and I will punch any Democrat in the face. Snitches. Gun carriers. Damn Democrats.

Don't buy the left/right crap.

Unsupported assertion, innuendo and then threats of violence and posted in a thread devoted to a totally different subject.

Classic example of a playground bully tantrum.


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Message 35 of 150 (890286)
12-31-2021 12:33 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by AZPaul3
12-30-2021 3:46 PM


Re: Gnostic What?
"Ahh, touchy. Hit a nerve. Good."

Yes. Now you know I do not suffer fools well.

-----

"If there is no god in your creed then I question your use of the Christian label.

There is a Gog in my creed.

Did you get where we name God I am, and mean ourselves?

Who rules you if not yourself?

God is the best rules and laws that you can live by, and you are the only one who can decide that at any given point in time.

Step up to what you are. God.

IOWs, a full adult, in control of yourself, without stupid supernatural beliefs, or need to look in a book for proper moral ethics.

-------

"How can there be Christianity without the Abrahamic god?"

As to the Abrahamic God, Yahweh, I am not sure that the Christian Trinity is Yahweh.

The Abrahamic Yahweh was androgynous, with male and female characteristics.

A Twonity; not a Trinity.

A strange twist is that if Jesus was born of a virgin, Jesus would have been female all his life. That is straight from the religious right.

They have to ignore themselves to believe.

I think Gnostics kept the Christian in their designation because we owe Christianity for giving us our moral sense, and allows us to venerate the Chrestians that I think helped create us.

A lot of their thinking was taken into Christianity even as they went for a human god to their supernatural evil god, Yahweh/Jesus.

Regards
DL


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Message 36 of 150 (890287)
12-31-2021 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by PaulK
12-30-2021 4:15 PM


What is B.S. about a man wanting to posses a wife to call his own?

In the Christian heaven, there are no marriages. That is what that text is saying about an imaginary realm populated by fully equal souls.

Androgynous souls, if we are to be created in Yahweh's image. The Jewish, not Christian Yahweh.

It also says that human males have a possession sense that helps makes them do their duty of dying for women and children, should the need arise.

Non-androgynous man, which is what we are, given that Christianity does not recognize the androgynous Yahweh, has decided to not do as Yahweh programmed and share our women, because neither side wanted it.

In the old days, it also meant that if the male of the family died, his neighbors were to absorb what was left into another home, if required.

What problems do you see with those rules to live life by?

Be clear.

Regards
DL


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Message 37 of 150 (890288)
12-31-2021 1:04 PM
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12-30-2021 4:56 PM


Re: Gnostic What?
Tangle

Seems we are done here.

Thanks for the chat.

Regards
DL


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Message 38 of 150 (890289)
12-31-2021 1:07 PM
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12-31-2021 1:04 PM


Re: Gnostic What?
Absolute pleasure.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 39 of 150 (890290)
12-31-2021 1:09 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by LamarkNewAge
12-31-2021 3:04 AM


Re: About "right wing" vs. "left wing".
LamarkNewAge

It seems that both camps are ignoring the demographics that should be telling you how many you need and when you need them.

Seems both camps are stupid as thy are ignoring timing and that every year should have a given goal.

That could be to stop immigration for some years.

Leave it to the U.S. to always use the stupidest way of controlling the population numbers.

They guess while demographers and their exactness is ignored.

Regards
DL


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PaulK
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Message 40 of 150 (890291)
12-31-2021 1:11 PM
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12-31-2021 1:02 PM


quote:
What is B.S. about a man wanting to posses a wife to call his own?

Pay attention. I didn’t call that bullshit. I called the idea of treating women as common property bullshit.

But I guess that you realise that the text you chose is indefensible. Otherwise you’d try to defend it.


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Message 41 of 150 (890292)
12-31-2021 1:14 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Greatest I am
12-31-2021 12:33 PM


Re: Gnostic What?
Let me state my understanding of your last post.

You gnostic christians are not christians, do not believe in the tenets of any of the usual christian creeds, but claim philosophical kinship to the biblical christian myths for their morality tales. I'm unclear if you are defining god as each of us humans individually (mega-polytheism) or as Mother Nature, physics, the reality we can see, the universe as god.

Before I go on, am I close?


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 42 of 150 (890300)
12-31-2021 5:30 PM
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12-31-2021 1:11 PM


Pay attention.

I defended it in post 36.

Regards
DL


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Message 43 of 150 (890301)
12-31-2021 5:33 PM
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12-31-2021 1:14 PM


Re: Gnostic What?
Let me state my understanding of your last post.

Your reading comprehension is poor.

What do I call my God?

If you can't comprehend that, I guess we are done.

Thanks for the chat.

Regards
DL


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PaulK
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Message 44 of 150 (890302)
12-31-2021 5:34 PM
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12-31-2021 5:30 PM


I was paying attention. That’s how I know that you did not defend what the scripture actually says.

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Message 45 of 150 (890303)
12-31-2021 5:46 PM
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12-31-2021 5:34 PM


The fact that no Gnostic Christian sect ever did what you say I have to defend, ---because you cannot understand the defence I gave of the text, --- shows that you do not see it saying that men's instincts and desires demanded specific wives and did not give credence to sexual universality on Earth. Only in heaven, just as the other Christianity had.

The ancient religions tried to venerate married sex to control populations where recourses were limited. That is why Temple Prostitutes were so important to the church and King's economy.

Temple Prostitutes were thought of as non-specific, in sexual terms.

You want me to defend for that? I can.

I cannot defend what was never tried, because real men and women would not participate.

Regards
DL


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