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Author Topic:   Belief Versus The Scientific Method
drlove
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Message 166 of 513 (890418)
01-05-2022 5:06 PM
Reply to: Message 164 by jar
01-05-2022 5:05 PM


Re: belief in the method
Something against 'Christian'? Not sure this is the place to try and work out your inner issues.

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jar
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Message 167 of 513 (890419)
01-05-2022 5:07 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by drlove
01-05-2022 5:06 PM


Re: belief in the method
I am a Christian, but not a member of the Christian Cult of Ignorance.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 168 of 513 (890420)
01-05-2022 5:08 PM
Reply to: Message 153 by drlove
01-05-2022 4:56 PM


Re: belief in the method
So when no one knows or can test or prove something that is supernatural
Nope, it's just unknown.
Only you reserve the right to call the supernatural science?
Nope, you are the only one trying to call the supernatural science. And we are telling you that you are incorrect. So far, everything you have said about science or the supernatural or actually anything else has been incorrect.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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drlove
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Message 169 of 513 (890421)
01-05-2022 5:09 PM
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01-05-2022 5:07 PM


Re: belief in the method
No true Scotsman then. OK How does that work, if someone points out opposing views within science or reps of science they are cults?

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drlove
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Message 170 of 513 (890422)
01-05-2022 5:11 PM
Reply to: Message 168 by Tanypteryx
01-05-2022 5:08 PM


Re: belief in the method
I just pointed out that there are things not known in science. In addition, some men of science claim they have some sort of exclusive on what is called science. Actually some governments also. I hear the Canadian PM recently labelled people who do not want the Vaccination as anti science, racists usually, and etc.
By the way, it seems the same old posters have been here a loooong time, no? You call others a cult!?
Edited by drlove, : No reason given.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 171 of 513 (890423)
01-05-2022 5:13 PM
Reply to: Message 162 by drlove
01-05-2022 5:04 PM


Re: belief in the method
Words can be supernatural
Convince us.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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drlove
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Message 172 of 513 (890424)
01-05-2022 5:14 PM
Reply to: Message 171 by Tanypteryx
01-05-2022 5:13 PM


Re: belief in the method
Jesus did say, the words I speak unto you, they are spirit...

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Tangle
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Message 173 of 513 (890425)
01-05-2022 5:15 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by drlove
01-05-2022 4:58 PM


Re: belief in the method
drlove writes:
Do not both Fauci and Malone use the scientific method? So who is to say where it actually applies?
I dunno, I have no insight into the weird politics of a foreign country, I'm just trying to straighten out your lack of understanding about what science is and how we know it works.
Do the vaccines work? Who made them?

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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drlove
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Message 174 of 513 (890426)
01-05-2022 5:16 PM
Reply to: Message 173 by Tangle
01-05-2022 5:15 PM


Re: belief in the method
That depends on who we listen to. Rent a scientist for whatever opinion you like I guess

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PaulK
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Message 175 of 513 (890427)
01-05-2022 5:18 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by drlove
01-05-2022 3:13 PM


Re: belief in the method
quote:
Except that the guy who says he is a joke of a known liar happened to be the guy that invented mrna vaccine, no? Why would we favour the one opinion over the other?
For reference Malone did not actually invent mRNA vaccines, although he did some important work relating to them - decades ago. (And, of course, that doesn’t make him an expert on the effectiveness of masks). That doesn’t stop him trying to claim that he did invent them - but that is a reason not to trust him.
More importantly Malone has been spreading misinformation about Covid. There’s no reason to believe that this claim is any better than his promotion of ivermectin as a Covid treatment or his anti-vaccination nonsense.
So I have no hesitation in declaring that his assertions are not credible.

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drlove
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Message 176 of 513 (890428)
01-05-2022 5:24 PM
Reply to: Message 175 by PaulK
01-05-2022 5:18 PM


Re: belief in the method
Who told you Malone spread misinformation? Does that mean the other dr spreads truth?

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Tanypteryx
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Message 177 of 513 (890429)
01-05-2022 5:24 PM
Reply to: Message 170 by drlove
01-05-2022 5:11 PM


Re: belief in the method
I just pointed out that there are things not known in science.
Science is a way of finding out things, not a box with knowledge inside.
In addition, some men of science claim they have some sort of exclusive on what is called science.
So YOU claim, but I have never heard or read of any scientist doing that.
Actually some governments also. I hear the Canadian PM recently labelled people who do not want the Vaccination as anti science, racists usually, and etc.
Bullshit.
By the way, it seems the same old posters have been here a loooong time, no?.
Yeah well, we won all our debates with you guys.
You call others a cult!?
Naw, most cults are smarter than you guys.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 178 of 513 (890430)
01-05-2022 5:26 PM
Reply to: Message 172 by drlove
01-05-2022 5:14 PM


Re: belief in the method
And Harry Potter said...

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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drlove
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Message 179 of 513 (890431)
01-05-2022 5:37 PM
Reply to: Message 177 by Tanypteryx
01-05-2022 5:24 PM


Re: belief in the method
You are wrong. The mention of the Canadian thing was true. You stand corrected.
Trudeau calls the unvaccinated racist and misogynistic extremists | News | westernstandard.news
So I am not sure there is some box of science or not science. There are studies that are thought of as science based that widely disagree.
Example,
150 studies show masks ineffective, harmful

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drlove
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Message 180 of 513 (890432)
01-05-2022 5:37 PM
Reply to: Message 178 by Tanypteryx
01-05-2022 5:26 PM


Re: belief in the method
That settles it I guess

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