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Author Topic:   Belief Versus The Scientific Method
Tanypteryx
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Message 181 of 513 (890433)
01-05-2022 5:40 PM
Reply to: Message 180 by drlove
01-05-2022 5:37 PM


Re: belief in the method
good

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 182 of 513 (890434)
01-05-2022 5:41 PM
Reply to: Message 179 by drlove
01-05-2022 5:37 PM


Re: belief in the method
Putting a candle in a cowpie still doesn't make it a birthday cake.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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jar
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Message 183 of 513 (890435)
01-05-2022 6:05 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by drlove
01-05-2022 5:09 PM


Re: belief in the method
DRL writes:
OK How does that work, if someone points out opposing views within science or reps of science they are cults?
It depends on whether or not they can support their assertions with a preponderance of evidence.
Anyone that deals in beliefs rather than actual evidence is a simply stupid.

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Tangle
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Message 184 of 513 (890436)
01-05-2022 6:08 PM
Reply to: Message 179 by drlove
01-05-2022 5:37 PM


Re: belief in the method
drlove writes:
You are wrong. The mention of the Canadian thing was true. You stand corrected.
Trudeau calls the unvaccinated racist and misogynistic extremists
I know even less about Canadian politics than the American version but I can smell a rat from the correct side of the Atlantic.
The shock headline in the Western Standard (just below an advert for Bitcoin investment) was
"Trudeau calls the unvaccinated racist and misogynistic extremists"
Its second sentence in the actual article inserts the word "often"
"Prime Minister Justin Trudeau told a Quebec television station people who do not get vaccinated against COVID-19 are often racist and misogynistic extremists."
So now it's not all the unvaccinated that are racist, misogynistic and extremists.
They then report some of his actual words that are
quote:
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau told a Quebec television station people who do not get vaccinated against COVID-19 are often racist and misogynistic extremists.
But he said the people of Quebec are not the problem and questioned whether the rest of Canada needs to “tolerate” the unvaccinated.
His comments prompted People’s Party of Canada leader Maxime Bernier to call Trudeau a “fascist psychopath.”
Trudeau also called unvaccinated Canadians science deniers.
“We are going to end this pandemic by proceeding with the vaccination,” said Trudeau in French.
“We all know people who are deciding whether or not they are willing to get vaccinated, and we will do our very best to try to convince them. However, there is still a part of the population (that) is fiercely against it.
“They don’t believe in science/progress and are very often misogynistic and racist. It’s a very small group of people, but that doesn’t shy away from the fact that they take up some space.
“This leads us, as a leader and as a country, to make a choice: Do we tolerate these people? Over 80% of the population of Quebec have done their duty by getting the shot. They are obviously not the issue in this situation.”
So now it's clear that he's referring to a very small group which presumably is related to something that has happened in Canada.
I have no idea where this misogyny and racism comes from not being party to Canadian politics but I suspect its related to a problem we have here also where the vaccine take up in some minority groups - Asian mainly - is significantly lower than in others.
Anyway, are you vaccinated drlove?
Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 185 of 513 (890437)
01-05-2022 6:48 PM
Reply to: Message 152 by drlove
01-05-2022 4:55 PM


Re: belief in the method
Hey smelly, change your tone. Or talk to someone else
OK, thank you for definitively admitting to us all what you actually are, an unredeemnable troll. Completely foresaken even by your own sworn God (assuming that your nominal "God" is YWVH, even though your actual God is Satan and you're still screwed only so much far so).
BTW, I have far many more people to talk to that you do. People who actually think. And can reason. Things that you cannot even begin to think about let alone dare to aspire to.
BTW, we have had many trolls visit us. We know full well how to identify you trolls and how to deal with you.

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drlove
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Message 186 of 513 (890438)
01-05-2022 6:57 PM
Reply to: Message 182 by Tanypteryx
01-05-2022 5:41 PM


Re: belief in the method
I agree. Listing something beyond the natural as science is not either.

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drlove
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Message 187 of 513 (890439)
01-05-2022 6:58 PM
Reply to: Message 183 by jar
01-05-2022 6:05 PM


Re: belief in the method
In the OP case of the two doctors, each one claims support.

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drlove
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Message 188 of 513 (890440)
01-05-2022 7:00 PM
Reply to: Message 184 by Tangle
01-05-2022 6:08 PM


Re: belief in the method
I Know. It was most people. General hate speech, basically. Whether or not your nose picks that up from whatever place you may be at

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Message 189 of 513 (890441)
01-05-2022 7:01 PM
Reply to: Message 185 by dwise1
01-05-2022 6:48 PM


Re: belief in the method
Reminding you to have some manners and not name call, by giving you a mild dose of your own medicine is actually wise and sound. I know how to deal with your type.
Edited by drlove, : No reason given.

Edited by drlove, : No reason given.


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jar
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Message 190 of 513 (890442)
01-05-2022 7:07 PM
Reply to: Message 187 by drlove
01-05-2022 6:58 PM


Re: belief in the method
drl writes:
In the OP case of the two doctors, each one claims support.
Claiming support is as worthless as testimony. It's shouting 'Lord Lord'.
What does the actual evidence say?
The Christian Cult of Ignorance are true Christians, just Christians that have chosen willful ignorance.

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Message 191 of 513 (890443)
01-05-2022 7:11 PM
Reply to: Message 190 by jar
01-05-2022 7:07 PM


Re: belief in the method
Says you. However the top science advisor in medical issues is considered to be the voice of science, and speaks as if he were. However worthless that is doesn't matter. You can have faith in either or neither. It is a matter of belief. The evidence says whatever the hired expert wants it to say!
Edited by drlove, : No reason given.

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jar
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Message 192 of 513 (890444)
01-05-2022 7:15 PM
Reply to: Message 191 by drlove
01-05-2022 7:11 PM


Re: belief in the method
drl writes:
Says you. However the top science advisor in medical issues is considered to be the voice of science, and speaks as if he were. However worthless that is doesn't matter. You can have faith in either or neither. It is a matter of belief. The evidence says whatever the hired expert wants it to say!
And there is the voice of IGNORANCE, the voice that places SOURCE over content, FANTASY over reality and BELIEF over evidence.
Pathetic but typical of the Christian Cult of Ignorance Deceit and Dishonesty.

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drlove
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Message 193 of 513 (890445)
01-05-2022 7:17 PM
Reply to: Message 192 by jar
01-05-2022 7:15 PM


Re: belief in the method
Not sure why you spam a bunch of *******s? Nor do we see what is of worth or not in your strange posts. You are on the cusp of having all posts seen as truly worthless.
In science, they say a theory basically NEVER becomes a fact!
When does a theory become a fact and who decides? | New Scientist
Edited by drlove, : No reason given.

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jar
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Message 194 of 513 (890446)
01-05-2022 7:20 PM
Reply to: Message 193 by drlove
01-05-2022 7:17 PM


Re: belief in the method
You can always simply click on peak mode to see what I actually said.
Correct. Science makes tentative conclusions, but ALL conclusions are subject to change when new evidence or techniques become available.
Edited by jar, : add second sentence

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Message 195 of 513 (890447)
01-05-2022 7:20 PM
Reply to: Message 194 by jar
01-05-2022 7:20 PM


Re: belief in the method
? Why not just spit it out?

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