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Author Topic:   Belief Versus The Scientific Method
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Message 196 of 513 (890448)
01-05-2022 7:23 PM
Reply to: Message 195 by drlove
01-05-2022 7:20 PM


Re: belief in the method
The audience simply can't handle the truth.

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Message 197 of 513 (890449)
01-05-2022 8:21 PM
Reply to: Message 189 by drlove
01-05-2022 7:01 PM


Re: belief in the method
Reminding you to have some manners and not name call, by giving you a mild dose of your own medicine is actually wise and sound. I know how to deal with your type.
Just what the FUCK are you talking about?
So far, every single presentation you have provided us with is that of a troll.
Since you have so far avoided appearing as nothing more than a troll, we are left with no other conclusion than that you are nothing more than a lower-than-whale-snot troll.
And, yes, we do all know all too well how to deal with your type.

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Message 198 of 513 (890451)
01-05-2022 8:40 PM
Reply to: Message 191 by drlove
01-05-2022 7:11 PM


Re: belief in the method
It is a matter of belief. The evidence says whatever the hired expert wants it to say!
You are incorrect yet again, science is never a matter of belief. And in your case, one is an expert and the other one is a con man and a fraud.

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Message 199 of 513 (890452)
01-05-2022 10:08 PM
Reply to: Message 189 by drlove
01-05-2022 7:01 PM


Re: belief in the method
If you in deed want to demonstrate that you are not just yet another troll, then you are entirely free to demonstrate that fact.
That is entirely within your own power. Do please demonstrate the fact that you are not merely a troll. That is entirely within your own power.
If you are indeed nothing more than a troll, then, as per your own words, "We know how to deal with your type."
Do, oh do, please prove us wrong. Believe it or not, that is what we always hope beyond all hope, to be proven wrong. Though we are always so sadly disappointed to being proven right.

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Message 200 of 513 (890456)
01-06-2022 1:48 AM
Reply to: Message 197 by dwise1
01-05-2022 8:21 PM


Re: belief in the method
Demon talk

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Message 201 of 513 (890457)
01-06-2022 1:50 AM
Reply to: Message 198 by Tanypteryx
01-05-2022 8:40 PM


Re: belief in the method
You believe science is not a matter of belief. Both doctors in the OP might believe the same, yet they have opposite claims. Same methods, different beliefs. You can't divorce belief from science as much as you may be desperate to do so.
Remember theory is never fact! That leaves a lot of room for belief.
When does a theory become a fact and who decides? | New Scientist
Edited by drlove, : No reason given.

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Message 202 of 513 (890458)
01-06-2022 1:51 AM
Reply to: Message 199 by dwise1
01-05-2022 10:08 PM


Re: belief in the method
Stop blathering and trying to sound scary, and make an attempt to say something relevant or interesting. Watch, I'll lead the way..
Science is not based on evidence, it is based on a belief based interpretation of evidence! That is one reason we can get totally different claims from different experts.
Edited by drlove, : No reason given.

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Message 203 of 513 (890460)
01-06-2022 2:20 AM
Reply to: Message 200 by drlove
01-06-2022 1:48 AM


Re: belief in the method
Demon talk
What the fuck???
I was a fellow traveller of the Jesus Freaks around 1970. All they could ever talk about was demons and End Times.
Wow! You are so seriously demented! Hah!!

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Message 204 of 513 (890461)
01-06-2022 2:25 AM
Reply to: Message 202 by drlove
01-06-2022 1:51 AM


Re: belief in the method
Stop blathering and trying to sound scary, and make an attempt to say something relevant or interesting. Watch, I'll lead the way..
So when the fuck will YOU ever say anything interesting or revelant? We are all still waiting. And should not hold our breathes since it will never happen.
Science is not based on evidence, it is based on a belief based interpretation of evidence! That is one reason we can get totally different claims from different experts.
Hahahaahaahaa! You really have absolutely no clue, do you? What a total rube!

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Message 205 of 513 (890462)
01-06-2022 2:37 AM
Reply to: Message 202 by drlove
01-06-2022 1:51 AM


Re: belief in the method
Stop blathering and trying to sound scary, ...
Wow! You think that trying to speak the TRUTH to you is scary? You really have some very serious truth issues to work out!

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Message 206 of 513 (890463)
01-06-2022 3:45 AM
Reply to: Message 203 by dwise1
01-06-2022 2:20 AM


Re: belief in the method
If the shoe doesn't fit, don't wear it. Thanks

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Message 207 of 513 (890464)
01-06-2022 3:47 AM
Reply to: Message 204 by dwise1
01-06-2022 2:25 AM


Re: belief in the method
Did you actually think using the F word helped you? The OP did mentions people in the name of science telling very different stories.
"Arizona State University physicist Paul Davies has noted that the work of science depends upon beliefs—that the hidden architecture of the universe, all the constants and laws of nature that sustain the scientific enterprise, will hold. As he wrote in his book “The Mind of God: The Scientific Basis for a Rational World”: “Just because the sun has risen every day of your life, there is no guarantee that it will therefore rise tomorrow. The belief that it will—that there are indeed dependable regularities of nature—is an act of faith, but one which is indispensable to the progress of science.”
Is Science a belief system? Yes it is. | by Ng Xin Zhao | Medium

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Message 208 of 513 (890465)
01-06-2022 3:49 AM
Reply to: Message 205 by dwise1
01-06-2022 2:37 AM


Re: belief in the method
What was it in your spam post that you would like us to look at that was 'truth'? Good luck with that

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Message 209 of 513 (890466)
01-06-2022 4:33 AM
Reply to: Message 207 by drlove
01-06-2022 3:47 AM


Re: belief in the method
English (and indeed any other language) is a funny beast. It evolves and changes and lacks absolute rigidity.
One of the key results of this is that words can have broad applications to different situations.
One of those is the word "faith". Amongst other meanings, it can refer to religious faith and also to confidence in an outcome - for example, "I have no faith in Boris Johnson's ability to organise a piss up in a brewery".
You are conflating those two meanings. When scientists say that they have faith that the sun will rise tomorrow (not that they feel the need to say that a lot) they mean they have confidence in the spectacularly high scientific probability of that outcome, based on observations, data and validated theories.
Saying that you have faith that some bearded fellow with a sadistic history wished the sun into existence, as a result of some inconsistent stories written down in the Bronze Age, is using a different meaning of the word faith.
Edited by vimesey, : No reason given.

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Message 210 of 513 (890467)
01-06-2022 6:29 AM
Reply to: Message 188 by drlove
01-05-2022 7:00 PM


Re: belief in the method
drlove writes:
I Know. It was most people.
Well that's a really bizarre reply. I gave you his actual words -
"It’s a very small group of people [...]"
So not most people then.
Are you going to continue with these one or two sentence response or are you going to attempt some more thoughtful discussion?

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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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