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Author Topic:   Do you have Questions for a Gnostic Christian?
AZPaul3
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Message 46 of 150 (890309)
12-31-2021 7:59 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Greatest I am
12-31-2021 5:33 PM


Re: Gnostic What?
If you can't comprehend that, I guess we are done.

Ok, we're done.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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PaulK
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Message 47 of 150 (890315)
01-01-2022 1:13 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by Greatest I am
12-31-2021 5:46 PM


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The fact that no Gnostic Christian sect ever did what you say I have to defend, ---because you cannot understand the defence I gave of the text, --- shows that you do not see it saying that men's instincts and desires demanded specific wives and did not give credence to sexual universality on Earth. Only in heaven, just as the other Christianity had.

I very much doubt that “no Gnostic Christian sect” ever followed that scripture. In fact it looks like the usual excuse to give the leaders sexual access to the wives of their followers.

However, that is a secondary concern. The text says what it says, independent of whether any Gnostic Christian sect actually followed it. Even if it were only to be implemented in “heaven” you could defend it on that basis. But you do not defend what it says.

Indeed, since the text is about “wives” it cannot possibly refer to a situation where there is no marriage. If there is no marriage in “heaven” then the text obviously is not talking about “heaven”.


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Percy
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Message 48 of 150 (890340)
01-02-2022 9:28 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by Greatest I am
12-31-2021 12:33 PM


Re: Gnostic What?
Greatest I am writes:

Yes. Now you know I do not suffer fools well.

Must be one heck of a case of cognitive dissonance.

--Percy


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Message 49 of 150 (890348)
01-02-2022 1:49 PM
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01-02-2022 9:28 AM


Re: Gnostic What?
Thanks for the opinion, without argument, out of the blue, you pathetic piece of human garbage.

Make your case or fuck off, looser.

Regards
DL


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Message 50 of 150 (890349)
01-02-2022 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Greatest I am
12-31-2021 12:33 PM


Re: Gnostic What?
GIA writes:

Who rules you if not yourself?

Quite obviously a demon. You shall know them by their fruits.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 51 of 150 (890350)
01-02-2022 2:55 PM


GIA writes:

so if anyone would like to know why we are called the only good Christians, ask

GIA writes:

Thanks for the opinion, without argument, out of the blue, you pathetic piece of human garbage.
Make your case or fuck off, looser.

Christian huh?


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 52 of 150 (890354)
01-02-2022 4:47 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by Greatest I am
01-02-2022 1:49 PM


Re: Gnostic What?
Greatest I am writes:

Yes. Now you know I do not suffer fools well.

Must be one heck of a case of cognitive dissonance.

Thanks for the opinion, without argument, out of the blue, you pathetic piece of human garbage.

Make your case or fuck off, looser.

Gee, glad I didn't hit a nerve. Except for your composure, coherence and spelling you're doing great. Maybe you should change your name to just "I am", though some might consider it presumptuous.

--Percy


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Message 53 of 150 (890365)
01-03-2022 10:22 AM
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01-02-2022 2:28 PM


Re: Gnostic What?
Phat

I like fruit.

Regards
DL


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LamarkNewAge 
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Message 54 of 150 (890453)
01-05-2022 11:24 PM


Does your avatar have to do with the Naassenes?
I was wondering that, long ago.

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Message 55 of 150 (890468)
01-06-2022 6:57 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by LamarkNewAge
01-05-2022 11:24 PM


Re: Does your avatar have to do with the Naassenes?
I was curious what you meant so I looked it up on Websters.
Websters writes:

Definition of Naassene

: a member of one of the Ophite group of Gnostic sects noted for its worship of the serpent as the principle of generation

I wonder if that's nearly as bad as "worshiping" the serpent in Genesis for "telling the truth"?

The true Greatest I AM is and was Jesus Christ Himself.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 56 of 150 (890474)
01-06-2022 10:43 AM
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01-06-2022 6:57 AM


Re: Does your avatar have to do with the Naassenes?
Phat

It has been a while.

On the real hero of the bible, the serpent/Satan, you likely know that it was the emblem of the priest class of Judaism and it was also used by Moses himself on his staff.

The medical of the day also used the serpent emblem.

In the myth, without Satan, there would be no story, as we would never have gotten out of Eden to reproduce.

Christians sing of Adam's sin being a happy fault and necessary to god's plan, and that make Satan key to the whole story.

That is why Jews se Eden as where man showed Original Virtue. Christianity when with Original Sin.

What do you get from Eden?

A success for man or a failure?

Regards
DL


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Greatest I am
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Message 57 of 150 (890475)
01-06-2022 10:45 AM
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01-06-2022 6:57 AM


Re: Does your avatar have to do with the Naassenes?
Phat

I do not think any Gnostic Christian worships anything or anyone, as that would be idol worship.

We are perpetual seekers and never idol worship.

Regards
DL


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Message 58 of 150 (890476)
01-06-2022 11:06 AM


Jesus was never anointed to Christ
Phat

Why do you give Jesus the title of Christ?

He was never anointed to Christ status.

Prove me wrong.

Regards
DL


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Phat
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Message 59 of 150 (890540)
01-07-2022 4:04 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by Greatest I am
01-06-2022 11:06 AM


Re: Jesus was never anointed to Christ
GIA writes:

Why do you give Jesus the title of Christ?

He was never anointed to Christ status.

Prove me wrong.

The one figure in all of human history who would by nature define Christ status is challenged by a fleshly and fallible gnostic.

I can prove you wrong right now if you name a short list of those who HAVE attained Christ status.

If you include yourself on the Christ status list, we will all have confirmation that you are wrong. I know im not on the list, and I daresay that Muhammed, Krishna, and Buddha were no closer than Jesus was. So who is on this list???


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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PaulK
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Message 60 of 150 (890541)
01-07-2022 4:19 PM
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01-07-2022 4:04 PM


Re: Jesus was never anointed to Christ
quote:
I can prove you wrong right now if you name a short list of those who HAVE attained Christ status

Can you? Let’s start with Saul (1 Samuel 10:1)


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