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Author Topic:   Belief Versus The Scientific Method
drlove
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Message 241 of 513 (890516)
01-07-2022 2:11 AM
Reply to: Message 239 by dwise1
01-07-2022 2:03 AM


Re: belief in the method
What spirit are you coming from? Be brave.

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Message 242 of 513 (890517)
01-07-2022 2:43 AM
Reply to: Message 241 by drlove
01-07-2022 2:11 AM


Re: belief in the method
Truth, justice, and the American way.
What spirit are you coming from? Putin?

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drlove
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Message 243 of 513 (890518)
01-07-2022 2:44 AM
Reply to: Message 242 by dwise1
01-07-2022 2:43 AM


Re: belief in the method
Jesus. Why, you believe in spirits? By the way since you claimed I was a troll, why are you constantly responding??
Edited by drlove, : No reason given.

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Tangle
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Message 244 of 513 (890519)
01-07-2022 3:00 AM


So drlove, are you going to tell us if you've been vaccinated?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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vimesey
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Message 245 of 513 (890520)
01-07-2022 3:00 AM
Reply to: Message 240 by drlove
01-07-2022 2:09 AM


Re: Peanut Gallery dogpiles Phat
What we actually have is falsely called knowledge. A misuse of the English language and a lie using word games.
I had a small bet with myself as to how long it would take you before a logical dismantling of your premise resulted in you retreating into the usual excuse of "you're telling lies", without any evidence to support it. You just got the record - well done.
You carry on enjoying all the benefits that science has brought to your life, whilst pretending that your bronze age sadistic bearded chap provided everything to you. As for me, I'm off to do some good in the world. Cheerio.

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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dwise1
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Message 246 of 513 (890521)
01-07-2022 3:08 AM
Reply to: Message 243 by drlove
01-07-2022 2:44 AM


Re: belief in the method
Yeah, for the very first time you have come up with something approaching a valid point.
But, WOW!
Jesus. Why, you believe in spirits?
Such an incredible demonstration of not understanding English. Ну, вы русскы?
Is that what it is? You're a fucking Russian troll? Well fuck you and the troika you rode in on!
You are nothing whatsoever but a fucking troll who has nothing whatsoever to contribute to any kind of discussion.
Fuck off and slither back under your slimy rock.

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jar
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Message 247 of 513 (890523)
01-07-2022 7:07 AM
Reply to: Message 231 by drlove
01-06-2022 8:13 PM


Re: Phrases have meaning whether you agree with them or not.
Dupe.
Please present your supporting evidence.
Edited by jar, : No reason given.

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Message 248 of 513 (890525)
01-07-2022 10:42 AM


Gosh he's afraid of masks
I suppose he would insist that the surgical staff remove all their masks before surgery, oh and absolutely no fucking hand washing!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


  
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Message 249 of 513 (890534)
01-07-2022 2:39 PM


Moderator Comment
This thread suddenly became very active a few days ago, so I scanned through the last few days of posts to see what was going on. I see drlove joined the thread on the 4th. Welcome.
Drlove's posts are widely varied. Many do seem purposefully trollish, others seem like sincere efforts at discussion, and many lie somewhere between. Many of his posts are very brief, and in those instances it is disappointing to see EvC treated like a texting app. And I wish the information-to-noise ratio of this thread weren't taking such a hit.
I feel like there would be a lot of value to exploring two things in this thread:
  1. What is a scientific theory?
  2. How does one know which scientists to listen to concerning the pandemic?
I've seen some excellent stabs at answering these questions, and my sense is that drlove has given them short shrift. I think it would be worthwhile if people were willing to try again, and I'll try to pitch in by noting where I think good information is being ignored.

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drlove
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Message 250 of 513 (890535)
01-07-2022 2:43 PM
Reply to: Message 244 by Tangle
01-07-2022 3:00 AM


Why would we do that? Is this thread about discussing medical procedures we may have done?

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drlove
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Message 251 of 513 (890537)
01-07-2022 2:44 PM
Reply to: Message 246 by dwise1
01-07-2022 3:08 AM


Re: belief in the method
Not sure why they let you get away with such demon talk here. Sad

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drlove
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Message 252 of 513 (890538)
01-07-2022 2:49 PM
Reply to: Message 245 by vimesey
01-07-2022 3:00 AM


Re: Peanut Gallery dogpiles Phat
Not sure why you try to drag all of science into it? The issue was how that the scientific method is not applicable for some aspects of what is called science today.
I think I cited a few examples. Of course this natural world has certain realities/laws/forces that work and that are used in the scientific method in a very many cases. Don't try to paint this as it is either total blind faith in all of what is called science, or we are science deniers!

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Message 253 of 513 (890539)
01-07-2022 2:55 PM
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01-07-2022 2:49 PM


Re: Peanut Gallery dogpiles Phat
drlove writes:
Not sure why you try to drag all of science into it? The issue was how that the scientific method is not applicable for some aspects of what is called science today.
I think I cited a few examples.
It would probably be helpful if you could list those examples again.

--Percy
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Tangle
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Message 254 of 513 (890543)
01-07-2022 4:48 PM
Reply to: Message 250 by drlove
01-07-2022 2:43 PM


drlove writes:
Why would we do that?
Why wouldn't we? Indulge me, why so shy?
If you'd like to know why, it's because you appear to be irrationally anti-science and one way to demonstrate that I'm wrong would be to disclose your position on vaccinations.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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drlove
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Message 255 of 513 (890545)
01-07-2022 5:06 PM
Reply to: Message 254 by Tangle
01-07-2022 4:48 PM


So those who chose to believe the tens of thousands of experts on one side are irrational? It seems to me that those who think all people must accept their beliefs are the irrational ones.

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