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Tangle Member Posts: 9509 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
drlove writes: So those who chose to believe the tens of thousands of experts on one side are irrational? It seems to me that those who think all people must accept their beliefs are the irrational ones So you're not answering my question. If this was a UK law court I'm allowed to take an adverse inference, and the inference I take is that you're anti-vax.Ok, that clears a few things up for me. Could you now tell us how old you think the earth is?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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drlove Member (Idle past 818 days) Posts: 153 Joined: |
In post 128 I mentioned how men of science with opposing claims each believe that the evidence supports them. Do you think they do not use the scientific method? If their field does, then what we have is belief, not knowledge. The data that may have been gotten using a scientific method in and of itself seems useless and merely something from which people use beliefs to interpret it!
In another post I noted what another man of science said"Saying that no laws existed as the little blob that would become the universe began it's magic superspurt of growth requires faith. Believing one expert over another about covid requires faith. Believing that all things observed in the natural worls and universe had to have resulted from processes or laws that now exist on earth requires faith. Believing that time exists as we know it in the distant universe requires faith. etc "Arizona State University physicist Paul Davies has noted that the work of science depends upon beliefs—that the hidden architecture of the universe, all the constants and laws of nature that sustain the scientific enterprise, will hold. As he wrote in his book “The Mind of God: The Scientific Basis for a Rational World”: “Just because the sun has risen every day of your life, there is no guarantee that it will therefore rise tomorrow. The belief that it will—that there are indeed dependable regularities of nature—is an act of faith, but one which is indispensable to the progress of science.” At Its Heart, Science Is Faith-Based Too So many feel that beliefs are involved. Feel welcome to prove otherwise. The responses I have gotten seem to be rude and empty so far. Funny that you ask me for something, when the rude and vacuous spammers are ignored?When I showed a poster wrong on what the Canadian PM said, I saw no admission of error on their part. Other points I raised and they were not addressed. I understand a lot of the old guard here have passed away, and that there seems to be not much new blood. Is that why the rude people seem to get a pass?
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drlove Member (Idle past 818 days) Posts: 153 Joined: |
I am pro real science. You should try it sometime. PS we are not in a UK kangaroo court. Say hi to Prince Philip
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Tangle Member Posts: 9509 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
drlove writes: I am pro real science. Great so why not answer my question? The cock has crowed at least thrice now?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4443 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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Of course this natural world has certain realities/laws/forces that work and that are used in the scientific method in a very many cases. Cool, now we're getting somewhere. Can you give us some examples of certain realities/laws/forces that work and that are used in the scientific method in a very many cases?What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4443 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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You do confirm that science is pretty well a religion to some people though, by taking offence to the fact some faith is involved. You really are on a roll and once again you are incorrect. I wasn't offended, I was just pointing out that you were incorrect. I am not offended by you not knowing wat you are talking about, but I am surprised that you are not.
Oh, and by the way, interpreting evidence involves belief and in a systematic way! I guess you don't know what systematic mean either.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4443 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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So those who chose to believe the tens of thousands of experts on one side are irrational? Tens of thousands of experts on your side? I call BullShit, you can't name 100 experts on your side.
drlove in message 179 writes: There are studies that are thought of as science based that widely disagree. Example,150 studies show masks ineffective, harmful I kept meaning to come back to this one. This is a classic example of alternate facts, that is spread by bullshit artists like you. There are no 150 studies showing masks are ineffective or harmful relative to infectious disease transmission published in any reputable medical journal anywhere on this planet. There have not been 5 studies showing masks are ineffective or harmful relative to infectious disease transmission published in any reputable medical journal anywhere on this planet since the Covid epidemic began.
This kind of deliberate spreading of misinformation that endangers lives and public health and is directly responsible for the needless deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans. Yeah, I'm talking about you, Asshole!What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4443 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
Tangle writes: drlove writes:
Great so why not answer my question? The cock has crowed at least thrice now? I am pro real science. I will bet that real science is exactly the same thing as true science that we've heard mentioned a few times here in the past. What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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drlove Member (Idle past 818 days) Posts: 153 Joined: |
Try addressing the topic. Also my posts if you are going to bother responding to them. Save your twenty questions polygraph game for someone else
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drlove Member (Idle past 818 days) Posts: 153 Joined: |
I did bring up the field of medical science and a few doctors representing that. See what you can do with that.
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drlove Member (Idle past 818 days) Posts: 153 Joined: |
Maybe say something that shows you know what you are talking about, or attempts to rather than making silly accusations that have no basis in reality and no support offered.
If one applies beliefs in a systematic way to evidences, then that is a perfect use of the word. Maybe quit the pretense of being some word scholar as well.
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drlove Member (Idle past 818 days) Posts: 153 Joined: |
There you go abusing the language again with the word reputable. You do not get to say what we accept or believe, or what has a reputation. You merely choose one side you want to believe. The article did cite 150 studies. If you want to go through each and show how it is some sort of con job, feel free. Empty claims that they are no good is nothing more than hand waving of course.
In some places the majority of people getting sick are the vaccinated. In your standard, apparently they are endangering lives! There are folks on the other side of the issue who claim that the system that disallowed life saving alternative and early treatments are actual murderers. There is also some who suspect that the vaccines may weaken immunity and be dangerous. It is also known that the vaccinated spread the sickness. So no one needs your ones sided rude and ignorant accusations, thanks. Edited by drlove, : No reason given.
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drlove Member (Idle past 818 days) Posts: 153 Joined: |
Hard to say, I must have missed that. However the issue here is whether you know the difference! So far I see zero that says you do.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4443 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
I did bring up the field of medical science and a few doctors representing that. See what you can do with that. So, no attempt to answer my question. Here it is again.
Tanypteryx writes: drlove writes:
Cool, now we're getting somewhere. Can you give us some examples of certain realities/laws/forces that work and that are used in the scientific method in a very many cases? Of course this natural world has certain realities/laws/forces that work and that are used in the scientific method in a very many cases.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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drlove Member (Idle past 818 days) Posts: 153 Joined: |
Unless you claim that the scientific method is not involved in medical science, try addressing the answer you received rather than pretend there was none.
Also, to name a few fields where the scientific method is used and works fine are, nuclear science (there are plenty of nukes) and medicine, metallurgy, robotics and etc Edited by drlove, : No reason given.
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