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Phat
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Message 50 of 150 (890349)
01-02-2022 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Greatest I am
12-31-2021 12:33 PM


Re: Gnostic What?
GIA writes:

Who rules you if not yourself?

Quite obviously a demon. You shall know them by their fruits.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 55 of 150 (890468)
01-06-2022 6:57 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by LamarkNewAge
01-05-2022 11:24 PM


Re: Does your avatar have to do with the Naassenes?
I was curious what you meant so I looked it up on Websters.
Websters writes:

Definition of Naassene

: a member of one of the Ophite group of Gnostic sects noted for its worship of the serpent as the principle of generation

I wonder if that's nearly as bad as "worshiping" the serpent in Genesis for "telling the truth"?

The true Greatest I AM is and was Jesus Christ Himself.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 59 of 150 (890540)
01-07-2022 4:04 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by Greatest I am
01-06-2022 11:06 AM


Re: Jesus was never anointed to Christ
GIA writes:

Why do you give Jesus the title of Christ?

He was never anointed to Christ status.

Prove me wrong.

The one figure in all of human history who would by nature define Christ status is challenged by a fleshly and fallible gnostic.

I can prove you wrong right now if you name a short list of those who HAVE attained Christ status.

If you include yourself on the Christ status list, we will all have confirmation that you are wrong. I know im not on the list, and I daresay that Muhammed, Krishna, and Buddha were no closer than Jesus was. So who is on this list???


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 63 of 150 (890657)
01-09-2022 2:39 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by PaulK
01-07-2022 4:19 PM


Re: Jesus was never anointed to Christ
Saul was annointed an earthly king by humans. Jesus was officially anointed through baptism by John the Baptist and as the story goes was verified through God Himself.

Jesus knew no sin. Saul had plenty of em.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Posts: 16082
From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 65 of 150 (890664)
01-09-2022 3:01 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by jar
01-09-2022 2:54 PM


Re: Jesus was never anointed to Christ
You have never understood the Bible. The fact that you attack and criticize Jesus Christ, the central character and in fact the closest to GOD with your purposeful slander prevents you from being a serious teacher worth anything.

Jesus never spent money on Himself in any way not allowed. Who gets to police the "common treasury"? Who did it belong to?

And what's ironic is that this same scenario of what belongs to "everybody" vs what belongs to a given individual will be one of the outright outrageous attempts by a liberal government to steal from the people. It figures that you would start by attacking Jesus.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Posts: 16082
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Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 72 of 150 (890732)
01-10-2022 12:05 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by ringo
01-10-2022 11:30 AM


Re: Jesus was never anointed to Christ
Are you thus saying that Jesus was immoral? It's amazing how satan uses you to twist scripture.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 82 of 150 (890772)
01-10-2022 3:25 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by Greatest I am
01-10-2022 2:33 PM


Re: Jesus was never anointed to Christ
Spoken like a true Gnostic wannabe possessed by a demon of hate. And you have the gall to accuse God of being the hateful one. The only things that He will destroy will be the fallen angels and unclean spirits so I suggest you get rid of the one you have before it drags you into death.

I have no issue with you, GIA. I have issues with the false spirit which fills your head with empty knowledge (doctrines of demons) and then embarrasses all of us by you acting so carnally and dismissively while claiming to have found the key belief in Christianity. The orthodox Christian belief is sound. Jesus was never anointed through any human religion or ritual. Nevertheless, He was and is God's son. He existed eternally in Spirit (only one Spirit) and was opposed by the spirits. (many of them, none holy)


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Posts: 16082
From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 83 of 150 (890777)
01-10-2022 3:33 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by Greatest I am
01-10-2022 2:15 PM


Re: Jesus was never anointed to Christ
If Armageddon happens it will be caused by humans competing for resources. Global warming will in fact cause a similar scenario. The presence of the Holy Spirit on earth causes the other spirits to react, and humans acquire these other spirits by resisting the pull of the Holy Spirit. Satan lies to us by crying foul and saying God is hateful and destructive when in fact the battle is focused only on him and his legions of spirits and demons.

It all sounds bonkers to a supposed enlightened mind, but time will verify what I am telling you. My main job is to work out my own salvation and overcome the evil assigned to me. It won't be easy and likely ringo will be right and I will have to give everything up. I feel too weak to finish this race.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Posts: 16082
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Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 93 of 150 (890860)
01-11-2022 8:34 AM
Reply to: Message 89 by Greatest I am
01-10-2022 5:20 PM


Re: Jesus was never anointed to Christ
GIA writes:

Explain why Yahweh broke the laws of heaven by having Jesus sacrificed instead of stepping up himself.

Because life and death are unique to humanity. Yahweh, GOD I AM that I AM, is eternal and unchanging. Jesus always was in Spirit and became flesh, (stepping out of eternity into time) and is One with the Father. If you want to talk about the laws of heaven, start with the angels and how they were the actual beginning of free will. The only difference that I can see regarding them(angels) and humanity is that once angels decide to exalt themselves they cannot repent. Thus, 2/3 stayed loyal to GOD and 1/3 did not. One might ask why GOD allowed evil to exist rather than "stepping up and becoming evil personified Himself." The main reason is that GOD is the Creator of angels and merely created the possibility of evil....dormant until it was chosen by Satan and the rest of the 1/3.

Now back to Jesus. He became flesh and dwelt among us. He was and is very God of God, God the Son. His sacrifice was painfully felt by Him yet served the purpose of nullifying death and sin(willful separation). You really need to ask yourself why God did anything wrong and who, exactly, is God responsible to? Who was wronged?

GIA writes:

The same fucking homophobic God who would have human men hate their gay children?

You have brought this up for years. First off, it was never God who introduced hate. Second of all, real men would love their children, gay or straight.

GIA writes:

Would you send your child to die in your steed, --- and be as fucking evil as the Yahweh you idol worship, --- or would you step up to your own responsibility and be your own sacrifice?

Who would GOD be sacrificing to? Who would He be a sacrifice for?

And tell me IF Yahweh is an idol, who is the real God?


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 102 of 150 (890922)
01-11-2022 11:35 PM
Reply to: Message 99 by Greatest I am
01-11-2022 1:33 PM


Re: Jesus was never anointed to Christ
No wonder you are deceived. Gnostic Christians do not venerate satan.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 133 of 150 (891302)
01-24-2022 11:54 AM
Reply to: Message 132 by ringo
01-24-2022 10:44 AM


Re: So where is this honor code?Re: Jesus was never anointed to Christ
He is no Christian. He thinks he himself is god. And his arrogant attitude shows the demons tormenting his soul.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Posts: 16082
From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 136 of 150 (891306)
01-24-2022 12:04 PM
Reply to: Message 134 by nwr
01-24-2022 12:00 PM


Re: So where is this honor code?Re: Jesus was never anointed to Christ
Oh I am a Christian. I just let my flesh, pride, fear, and arrogance besmirch what I claim to be. Even jar claims to be a Christian due to the graces of the Episcopalians, but he admits that he does not *know* Jesus or has a clue who GOD is. What saves his argument is the fact that he does a lot for others...like what Jesus(character in the book) told us to do. I air my sins in public. I don't expect to be applauded here at this forum.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Posts: 16082
From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 137 of 150 (891307)
01-24-2022 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 135 by jar
01-24-2022 12:03 PM


Re: So where is this honor code?Re: Jesus was never anointed to Christ
For a guy who has read the Bible, you really don't get that God and Jesus are One. I highly doubt that GOD even makes spit in His corporeal essence. I suppose He could easily do so. As long as you keep teaching people to throw Him away and grow up from what you call childish fantasies, I'm sure you can avoid any disappointment from Jesus...(Who is eternally alive, by the way)

And don't ask me to explain how. You either believe or you don't. But I suppose the Episcopalians will certify your credentials and avoid having you spit at.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Posts: 16082
From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 140 of 150 (891315)
01-24-2022 3:16 PM
Reply to: Message 139 by ringo
01-24-2022 12:21 PM


Re: So where is this honor code?Re: Jesus was never anointed to Christ
It might crack!

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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