Belief Versus The Scientific Method

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I don't see any source or data for these claims

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"Out of the over 3700 deaths reported from Dec. 6 to Jan. 2, over 2600 of them were fully vaccinated – over 70%, according to the data, and an additional 130 deaths attributed to the “partly vaccinated” brings the total up to nearly 75%.Additionally, the fully vaccinated account for, by far, the vast majority of Covid-19 cases during that time period."Bombshell: Nearly 75% of UK Covid Deaths Were Vaxxed, Govt Data ShowsGovernment stats are not data? (UKHSA)

I have offered an abundance of links and professional opinions. The issue here, in case you have not clued in yet, is not which side was right or wrong! The issue is "Is it Science" either way? It seems to me that if it were a matter of fact and real knowledge and science that we would not have this great division.

Since you pick out one of the untold tens of thousands of professionals to say he is a liar, do show us exactly what lie he told. Wiki should do that rather than basically saying someone lied!We wait. But remember the issue is not whether the thousands of scientists and doctors and virologists and other various professionals are right or wrong. or even if they never lied. (Otherwise Fauci would probably not have a job) Oh, and it is easy to get a list of those lies.example:"Dr. Anthony Fauci was absolutely adamant that the National Institutes of Health has never funded dangerous research on bat viruses in the Chinese lab suspected of being the source of the COVID-19 pandemic-"Enough of Fauci’s lies!: DevineEdited by drlove, : No reason given.

There is no question that the vaccine caused many many thousands of deaths. Whether each young person for sure died of the vaccine is not the issue. Something is going on. You can believe in coincidences if you like. Since death and adverse effects of the vaccine are not stats that are well kept we have no real way of knowing.

Well here is someone that is not a journalist saying the same thing(add your choice of 50,000 links here on one side of the issue) But since you called this guy a liar, let's see the proof?

The actual facts are that people do interpret the numbers in different ways. One thing that seems evident, the vaccines do not protect people from what they are supposed to be protecting them from since most sick are vaccinated. Simple

name one.

The virologists and other professionals speaking out against the vaccine agenda are not debating, They are sharing their knowledge and experience from science, and informing people.The fact that there are interpretations shows that it is a matter of belief and not science that is devoid of belief.

Well, whatever point you seem to be trying to make is apparently less than clear and concise. The push from science led governments who hire scientists for advice is actually wholly wrapped around vaccines.I have a suggestion for all of them. Make absolutely sure that no one makes any money off any vaccine or agenda. Make the drug companies liable as well as transparent, as well as non profit on this emergency. Otherwise why trust them at all?

Good one.

The guy was also wrong when he worked for the drug company. We'll have to revoke his sainthood I guess.The thing is who says Fauci always has to be right? Gates? Biden?At least Michael actually worked for a drug company as a scientist. He would have more insight about the inside than most others."Dr. Mike Yeadon gets his credibility from being an ex-Pfizer scientist. He holds a Ph.D. in pharmacology and worked in the pharmaceutical industry for 35 years. 16 of these years were at Pfizer, and six at his own startup Ziarco, which he sold for hundreds of millions of pounds. He is retired and splits his time between the cities of Nice in France, and Canterbury in the U.K. He has never worked on vaccines.Since May of last year, Yeadon has been accusing the government of an escalating series of crimes and cover-ups. On his Twitter page, which no longer exists, he gained an impressive following over the course of 2020. He eventually created a petition with another German anti-vax doctor, Wulfgang Wodarg, demanding that the EU stop vaccine trials because according to him, they damage fertility. "
Scientists vs Science: Interviews with Mike Yeadon and Robert MaloneSo it is again a matter of who we want to believe. Remember that the drug company he worked for was known for lying in the past and hurting people. They got sued in one of the biggest lawsuits ever. Companies like that are known to donate to media and officials. One of the only ways we have of finding dangers of their products is from people on the inside. And so called fact checkers can be hired like a street worker. It is a question of who we choose to believe. If you want to dismiss him in all things because he had a prediction wrong, well, you better fire a lot of people!

must be an interesting thread

Did you read all articles on both sides from all professionals? As was explained to you, the issue is that all the data is subject to interpretation and belief, that is why scientists fall on both sides of the debate. That is what this thread is about, asking if science is related to belief.That is also why stories keep changing. Before it was 'just get a vaccination and you will be safe'. These days it is more like 'get shots as often as we want to sell them to you and they won't keep you safe anyhow, but we want them mandatory even for little children'! That is not science.Pfizer CEO: 2 shots 'offer very limited protection, if any'"Pfizer CEO: 2 shots 'offer very limited protection, if any'They had to admit that since we all can see that places like fully vaccinated cruise ships get hammered with covid, and some of the highest sickness rates are in places that have the highest vaccination rates.Edited by drlove, : No reason given.

In that link it also says
"Bourla said the two-dose vaccine does not provide robust protection against infection and its ability to prevent hospitalization has also declined."In another quote from the interview we see this
"“Two doses of the vaccine offers very limited protection, if any,” Bourla said when asked about developing an omicron variant-specific booster.“Three doses with a booster offer reasonable protection against hospitalization and deaths,” Bourla added.However, “Less protection against infection,” the CEO admitted.The new admissions are a complete 180° from Bourla’s previous statements last year, which touted the first and second vaccine doses as “100% effective.”Infowars ArticleSo, not only is there gaping disparity between professionals and scientists over the science data, but within the 'vaccine is the answer and forget everything else' sides own previous claims!If the science was valid they would both agree with themselves, and each other!No other conclusion is sane and logical but the conclusion that the agenda we see is not based on the science. If the death rate for kids is much less than 1% (and those stats are inclusive of many other possible reasons for death) then how is the science on the side of mandating vaccinations for them?Edited by drlove, : No reason given.

They do say that. The push to vaccinate kids and make vaccines mandatory and push push push has been the order of the day for a few years now. The guy in the states in charge, is implicated in lying about being involved with biological warfare experiments basically. He lied to congress."Experts reacting to a Project Veritas report that presidential adviser Anthony Fauci went ahead with dangerous gain-of-function coronavirus research after other federal officials deemed it too risky say it was, essentially, the intentional "manslaughter of millions."The Project Veritas report cited secret government documents revealing that the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency determined that a request for funding for gain-of-function research was too much of a risk.But shortly after, Fauci's NIAID "went ahead with the research in Wuhan, China, and at several sites across the U.S.," the report said."Dr. Fauci has repeatedly maintained, under oath, that the NIH and NAIAD have not been involved in gain of function research with the EcoHealth Alliance program. But according to the documents obtained by Project Veritas which outline why EcoHealth Alliance’s proposal was rejected, DARPA certainly classified the research as gain of function," Project Veritas explains."Fauci's gain-of-function work called 'intentional manslaughter of millions'You call that science? Alternative treatments have been suppressed by media and health authorities! Don't pretend otherwise. The vaccine agenda was pushed above all else your denial is ridiculous.Here is testimony from someone who had boots on the ground and direct experience."A former ICU nurse laid waste to the Covid narrative at her local county school board meeting this week, exposing how the medical authorities are responsible for coronavirus deaths by not promoting early treatment protocols.Speaking at a New Hanover County school board meeting in Wilmington, North Carolina, on Tuesday, registered nurse Morgan Wallace – who says she quit her job over vaccine mandates – slammed vaccines for failing to protect people from contracting Covid, and blamed government incompetence for leading to thousands of deaths.“Everyone who died with Covid should be considered murdered. Early treatment has always been effective,” Wallace told a captive audience"Infowars Article