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drlove Member (Idle past 813 days) Posts: 153 Joined:
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quote: "Out of the over 3700 deaths reported from Dec. 6 to Jan. 2, over 2600 of them were fully vaccinated – over 70%, according to the data, and an additional 130 deaths attributed to the “partly vaccinated” brings the total up to nearly 75%. Additionally, the fully vaccinated account for, by far, the vast majority of Covid-19 cases during that time period." Bombshell: Nearly 75% of UK Covid Deaths Were Vaxxed, Govt Data Shows Government stats are not data? (UKHSA)
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drlove Member (Idle past 813 days) Posts: 153 Joined: |
I have offered an abundance of links and professional opinions. The issue here, in case you have not clued in yet, is not which side was right or wrong! The issue is "Is it Science" either way? It seems to me that if it were a matter of fact and real knowledge and science that we would not have this great division.
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drlove Member (Idle past 813 days) Posts: 153 Joined: |
Since you pick out one of the untold tens of thousands of professionals to say he is a liar, do show us exactly what lie he told. Wiki should do that rather than basically saying someone lied!
We wait. But remember the issue is not whether the thousands of scientists and doctors and virologists and other various professionals are right or wrong. or even if they never lied. (Otherwise Fauci would probably not have a job) Oh, and it is easy to get a list of those lies. example: "Dr. Anthony Fauci was absolutely adamant that the National Institutes of Health has never funded dangerous research on bat viruses in the Chinese lab suspected of being the source of the COVID-19 pandemic-" Enough of Fauci’s lies!: Devine Edited by drlove, : No reason given.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
This is evidence of nothing. Correlation does not equal causation. They themselves admit they have no idea if these numbers are higher than other years.
Easy way to tell this is all bullshit fear mongering. The first guy is from Portugal he died on January 3. ON February 12 Portugal was still in its first phase. He was not eligible for the vaccine. Vaccine roll out – What you need to know - The Portugal News 2nd guy was not eligible for the vaccine. Hank Aaron dies in his sleep 2 weeks after the vaccine. 88 yer olds die in their sleep all the time. The vast majority of the people that died in the first 3 months of 2021 could not have gotten the vaccine. I am 59 and I was not able to get mine until March 9. The only reason I was that early was because of other health issues. These idiots have disproven their own argument. They are showing that athletes do die all of the time independent of the vaccine. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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Alex Berenson is not a professional he is a journalist. maybe if you actually looked at what you link to you would know.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4411 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
Yep!
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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drlove Member (Idle past 813 days) Posts: 153 Joined:
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There is no question that the vaccine caused many many thousands of deaths. Whether each young person for sure died of the vaccine is not the issue. Something is going on. You can believe in coincidences if you like. Since death and adverse effects of the vaccine are not stats that are well kept we have no real way of knowing.
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drlove Member (Idle past 813 days) Posts: 153 Joined: |
Well here is someone that is not a journalist saying the same thing
(add your choice of 50,000 links here on one side of the issue) But since you called this guy a liar, let's see the proof?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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And if Infowars wasn't trying to sow chaos they would point out what the UK government points out.
quote: But who cares about actual facts.Again you posted something without understanding the science, but it sure looked good. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
As I said the wiki link has links to his lies. Do you know how to follow footnotes on Wikipedia?
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
Repeating a lie over and over does not make it true. Provide a source, or not, your choice.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
I love your response.
Basically it is. Well the link I gave you to prove my claim might not be accurate, but my claim is true because, well because.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4411 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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drlove writes: If you are saying that true people of science are not fanatics on one side of the issue, I would agree. However, both sides claim science. Nope, that doesn't resemble anything I said. Here it is again for the 3rd time.
Tanypteryx writes: Yep, and I have not seen a single scientist claim vaccines are the only way out of the Covid pandemic. Effective masks, isolation, rapid testing and sanitary practices along with vaccines are all part of the strategy. No wonder you have posted nothing but total bullshit here, you can't read.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Porkncheese Member (Idle past 290 days) Posts: 198 From: Australia Joined: |
How can you tell if a claim is pseudoscientific?
- Censorship is the mark of a pseudoscience. Im shocked people are falling for this... Open inquiry is the foundation of science and everyone should know that free speech is a pillar of western democracy...So why do they censor. Because they are scared of the truth. They know they will loose in a debate and censoring shuts down debate. Our doctors here are being blackmailed. Not allowed to speak their minds because they will loose their medical licenses. This has lead to untold deaths which are not being properly counted - Claims such as "the science is settled" and "follow the science" are red flags. Science is not a religion, it cannot claim infallibility and should be always open to enquiry. Its another method of shutting down debate - "Experts say" is another red flag... Which experts. They don't tell us which experts, who they are or anything so you can't check their credentials and you cannot challenge the claim - "Anti-vaxer" "conspiracy theorist" Attacking the people instead of addressing their argument is what people do when they have no valid argument. Such labels are used to dismiss the person as insane therefore shutting down debate Debate is the keystone of science but it has been shut down. I would love to see a debate between a vax advocate and a vax skeptic but the advocates will not debate. Ive heard a few challenges from the pro choice experts but none of the pro vax experts will debate themIn the beginning God made the heavens and the earth
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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Why would an epidemiologist or a virologist debate someone that is not an expert? Science is not a debate. It is evidence and acceptance of the evidence by the experts in the field.
Laymen can and should just fuck off. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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