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dronestar Member Posts: 1407 From: usa Joined: |
Taq writes: You are not going to count the presidents who oversaw the relocation and genocide of America's indigenous populations? I think that would be all of the Pre-WW II presidents. Well, I certainly don't contest your sentiment. However, I am a little ignorant of 1800 laws. I think the Civil Rights Act, in 1866 would have made the butchering of native americans illegal. Before that, I am unsure if there were laws that forbid the slaughter of native americans. Sometimes Theo knows a lot about 1800s history, maybe he can weigh in. Again, I agree with your sentiment, a pox on all presidents who thought that the only good indian was a dead indian. About Hitchens : 1. I prefer no more white males on coins, and 2. he was pro-Iraq war. The invasion of Iraq was beyond immoral and illegal, so I would be against Hitchen's likeness on a coin.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Henry David Thoreau
Who wrote Civil Disobedience while in jail for not paying taxes to support the war to invade Texas and take it from the Mexicans.
quote: So a three dollar bill with Thoreau in the center, a female black slave on one side and a mexican soldier on the other? And the motto: "individuals should not permit governments to overrule or atrophy their consciences" ... by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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dronestar Member Posts: 1407 From: usa Joined:
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Well, none of us thought specifically of abolitionist Harriet Tubman in this thread (but RAZD did say escaped slave, so he gets partial credit), . . . but, . . . I am dronestar, and I would approve of this replacement.
Jackson was dreadful . . .
quote: quote: Edited by dronestar, : credit RAZD Edited by dronestar, : Forgot CNN link Edited by dronestar, : added women info. Edited by dronestar, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Jackson was dreadful but more for his total disregard for the US Constitution, the Rule of Law and his direct disobedience of lawful orders from both the President and Congress.
It's great that he is gone. Tubman is a great choice as a symbol on our currency and the other new faces in the planning stages equally interesting; but I am sorry they decided to keep Jackson even if only on the reverse.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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dronestar Member Posts: 1407 From: usa Joined: |
Jar writes: but I am sorry they decided to keep Jackson even if only on the reverse. Yeah, but look at it symbolically, being smaller on the reverse, he will be a "second-citizen" to a black woman. Poetic justice.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 284 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
I think the subjects should be chosen from among all living American citizens, by lot.
"And this year, the five dollar bill will bear the portrait of ... Mrs. Carla Winstance of Ridgewood, New Jersey! A big hand for Mrs. Winstance, people!" Alternatively they could just leave a blank space in the middle of each bill for people to draw their own pictures.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1407 From: usa Joined: |
DA writes: Alternatively they could just leave a blank space in the middle of each bill for people to draw their own pictures. A blank space for individual creativity? Hmmm. At first, I read your post as a light-humored, and potentially creative possibility. As you may have guessed, I kinda am pro-self-expression. So the idea of giving the public a blank national canvas is rather neat. However, . . . let's be realistic. In america, instead of uplifting images and grand ideas, you'd probably more often see hateful drawings of black lynchings, commercial starbuck coupons, and crudely drawn genital cartoons. Is there so much beauty in life that we can afford to have even more crudity in our day-to-day, financial transitions? I think not. So maybe, a standard picture of Mrs. Carla Winstance of Ridgewood WOULD make the better portrait on a dollar bill . . . (. . . drawn with exquisitely and masterfully detailed engraved genital depictions).
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 284 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
In america, instead of uplifting images and grand ideas, you'd probably more often see hateful drawings of black lynchings, commercial starbuck coupons, and crudely drawn genital cartoons. Well, my aim was to have the design of the money truly represent America ... so ...
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dronestar Member Posts: 1407 From: usa Joined: |
Well, pretty darn cool. First Tubman on a $20 bill, and now a black lady liberty. The face appears strong, determined, proud, and, dare I say, . . . pretty. Kudos US mint. A few nitpiks (sorry): 1. a $100 gold coin will not be circulated much.2. Would the black community prefer an actual black woman, instead of a 'generic' black woman. Would a small black girl be more inspired by an actual black woman that could have been depicted? E.g.: Toni Morrison, Mary Angelu? 3. I still think native-americans would be the only truly, authentic americans on an american coin. It may help to remind people that ALL non-native-americans are IMMIGRANTS. Seems like that would be a good message right about now. U.S. Mint Unveils 2017 American Liberty Gold Coin, Featuring A Black Woman As Lady Liberty
U.S. Mint Unveils 2017 American Liberty Gold Coin, Featuring A Black Woman As Lady Liberty | DCist
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
... and now a black lady liberty. The face appears strong, determined, proud, and, dare I say, . . . pretty. And the GOP echo chamber exploded in outrage.
quote: Pathetic outrage over a symbol as if the statue was the defining image. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Well, pretty darn cool. First Tubman on a $20 bill, and now a black lady liberty. Well if we're nitpicking... those Tubman's are not actually out yet, and most likely they won't be issued any time in the next ten years... Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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dronestar Member Posts: 1407 From: usa Joined: |
NN writes: and most likely they won't be issued any time in the next ten years. Oh yeah, you're right. I momentarily forgot the political climate we are currently in. My hopes and desires will need to be replaced with the coin below, for at least the next four years, . . . or till the earth has been blown up . . . which should be sometime next Wednesday, . . . noonish.
(So much for my original plan NOT to use privileged white men on coins and bills)
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dronestar Member Posts: 1407 From: usa Joined:
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quote: Jeesh, even in symbolism, there is white privilege. Sigh.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1407 From: usa Joined:
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I'm very happy,
But I still look forward to having Tubman replace Jackson on the $20 bill. We've been good, but we can't last, hurry treasury, hurry fast.
“You can kill me with your hatefulness, but just like life, I rise.” The legend lives on in not just her words but in new quarters we will see in circulation this month. The incredible Dr. Maya Angelou is the first to appear in a series of commemorative quarters honoring influential women. (not sure why the pict isn't showing: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FIwniulXMAEggEF?format=jpg&na...)
The five coins will still have George Washington on the face, but the honorees will be featured on the reverse side. . . . some women did appear on U.S. coins, including Helen Keller on the 2003 Alabama quarter as part of the 50 State Quarters Program. Additionally, the 2004 Iowa state quarter featured an image of a female teacher. Susan B. Anthony also appeared on a dollar coin in 1979 and Native American Sacajawea appears on a golden dollar coin issued in 2000. Maya Angelou is the first of five women to be featured U.S. quarters this year
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