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dronestar
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Message 16 of 29 (723776)
04-08-2014 9:21 AM
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04-07-2014 4:32 PM


Re: In Hitch We Trust
Taq writes:

You are not going to count the presidents who oversaw the relocation and genocide of America's indigenous populations? I think that would be all of the Pre-WW II presidents.

Well, I certainly don't contest your sentiment. However, I am a little ignorant of 1800 laws. I think the Civil Rights Act, in 1866 would have made the butchering of native americans illegal. Before that, I am unsure if there were laws that forbid the slaughter of native americans. Sometimes Theo knows a lot about 1800s history, maybe he can weigh in. Again, I agree with your sentiment, a pox on all presidents who thought that the only good indian was a dead indian.

About Hitchens : 1. I prefer no more white males on coins, and 2. he was pro-Iraq war. The invasion of Iraq was beyond immoral and illegal, so I would be against Hitchen's likeness on a coin.


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Message 17 of 29 (723778)
04-08-2014 9:48 AM
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04-08-2014 9:21 AM


Thoreau
Henry David Thoreau

Who wrote Civil Disobedience while in jail for not paying taxes to support the war to invade Texas and take it from the Mexicans.

quote:
(wiki): Resistance to Civil Government (Civil Disobedience) is an essay by American transcendentalist Henry David Thoreau that was first published in 1849. In it, Thoreau argues that individuals should not permit governments to overrule or atrophy their consciences, and that they have a duty to avoid allowing such acquiescence to enable the government to make them the agents of injustice. Thoreau was motivated in part by his disgust with slavery and the Mexican–American War.

So a three dollar bill with Thoreau in the center, a female black slave on one side and a mexican soldier on the other? And the motto: "individuals should not permit governments to overrule or atrophy their consciences" ...


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Message 18 of 29 (782356)
04-22-2016 12:29 PM


Tubman on the $20 bill
Well, none of us thought specifically of abolitionist Harriet Tubman in this thread (but RAZD did say escaped slave, so he gets partial credit), . . . but, . . . I am dronestar, and I would approve of this replacement.

Jackson was dreadful . . .

quote:
Jackson, whose presence on the $20 bill was criticized due to his history as a slave-owner and his dismal record on Native American and racial issues, epitomized by the Jackson administration's infamous "Trail of Tears" policy that forcibly relocated the Cherokee people to devastating effect.

quote:
Harriet Tubman will be face of the $20

After months of debate and controversy over how to incorporate a woman's portrait onto the $10 bill, Treasury Secretary Jack Lew announced plans to redesign the $10, $20 and $5 bill. All three denominations will have a female presence.

A montage of women involved in the American suffrage movement -- Lucretia Mott, Sojourner Truth, Susan B. Anthony, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, and Alice Paul -- will be on the back of the $10.

http://money.cnn.com/...0-bill-hamilton-20-tubman/index.html


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Message 19 of 29 (782360)
04-22-2016 12:47 PM


Jackson was dreadful but more for his total disregard for the US Constitution, the Rule of Law and his direct disobedience of lawful orders from both the President and Congress.

It's great that he is gone.

Tubman is a great choice as a symbol on our currency and the other new faces in the planning stages equally interesting; but I am sorry they decided to keep Jackson even if only on the reverse.


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Message 20 of 29 (782363)
04-22-2016 12:52 PM
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04-22-2016 12:47 PM


Tubman $20
Jar writes:

but I am sorry they decided to keep Jackson even if only on the reverse.

Yeah, but look at it symbolically, being smaller on the reverse, he will be a "second-citizen" to a black woman.

Poetic justice.


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Message 21 of 29 (782387)
04-22-2016 3:52 PM
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04-04-2014 11:46 AM


I think the subjects should be chosen from among all living American citizens, by lot.

"And this year, the five dollar bill will bear the portrait of ... Mrs. Carla Winstance of Ridgewood, New Jersey! A big hand for Mrs. Winstance, people!"

Alternatively they could just leave a blank space in the middle of each bill for people to draw their own pictures.


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Message 22 of 29 (782391)
04-22-2016 5:04 PM
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04-22-2016 3:52 PM


Mrs. Winstance's 'treasure' bill
DA writes:

Alternatively they could just leave a blank space in the middle of each bill for people to draw their own pictures.

A blank space for individual creativity?

Hmmm.

At first, I read your post as a light-humored, and potentially creative possibility. As you may have guessed, I kinda am pro-self-expression. So the idea of giving the public a blank national canvas is rather neat.

However, . . . let's be realistic.

In america, instead of uplifting images and grand ideas, you'd probably more often see hateful drawings of black lynchings, commercial starbuck coupons, and crudely drawn genital cartoons.

Is there so much beauty in life that we can afford to have even more crudity in our day-to-day, financial transitions? I think not.

So maybe, a standard picture of Mrs. Carla Winstance of Ridgewood WOULD make the better portrait on a dollar bill . . .

(. . . drawn with exquisitely and masterfully detailed engraved genital depictions).


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Message 23 of 29 (782468)
04-23-2016 11:47 PM
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04-22-2016 5:04 PM


Re: Mrs. Winstance's 'treasure' bill
In america, instead of uplifting images and grand ideas, you'd probably more often see hateful drawings of black lynchings, commercial starbuck coupons, and crudely drawn genital cartoons.

Well, my aim was to have the design of the money truly represent America ... so ...


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Message 24 of 29 (798144)
01-31-2017 11:40 AM


US Gold Coin, Featuring A Black Woman

Well, pretty darn cool. First Tubman on a $20 bill, and now a black lady liberty. The face appears strong, determined, proud, and, dare I say, . . . pretty.

Kudos US mint.

A few nitpiks (sorry):

1. a $100 gold coin will not be circulated much.
2. Would the black community prefer an actual black woman, instead of a 'generic' black woman. Would a small black girl be more inspired by an actual black woman that could have been depicted? E.g.: Toni Morrison, Mary Angelu?
3. I still think native-americans would be the only truly, authentic americans on an american coin. It may help to remind people that ALL non-native-americans are IMMIGRANTS. Seems like that would be a good message right about now.

U.S. Mint Unveils 2017 American Liberty Gold Coin, Featuring A Black Woman As Lady Liberty

http://dcist.com/.../us_mint_unveils_2017_american_liber.php


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Message 25 of 29 (798147)
01-31-2017 12:07 PM
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01-31-2017 11:40 AM


Re: US Gold Coin, Featuring A Black Woman
... and now a black lady liberty. The face appears strong, determined, proud, and, dare I say, . . . pretty.

And the GOP echo chamber exploded in outrage.

quote:
Conservative Outrage Over A Coin.

Oh my, the mint has decided to be inclusive looking on some gold coins that most people won’t ever see. Well, I guess it’s the thought that counts, but that thought has brought out all the conservative anger. Messing with Lady Liberty, oh noes! Lady Liberty is not black, she’s white! I confess to never having seen the statue in person, but she’s always looked rather green to me.

Not only were unthinking cons upset about it, but it was an excuse for them to spew bigotry.

@AP The discrimination of white people by the @obama administration continues

@AP this administration doing everything to change history,including changing Lady Liberty from what the French sent us. Pathetic racism!

@AP i wouldnt pay a dime for it. This proves that the Obama’s are racist.

@AP take a close look at the Statue of Liberty. Obviously lady liberty is a white European. This is ridiculous!

There have been a great many observations made about the Statue of Liberty over the years. This is a remarkably stupid one. Obviously Lady Liberty is a green French woman.


Pathetic outrage over a symbol as if the statue was the defining image.

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Message 26 of 29 (798148)
01-31-2017 12:11 PM
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01-31-2017 11:40 AM


Re: US Gold Coin, Featuring A Black Woman
Well, pretty darn cool. First Tubman on a $20 bill, and now a black lady liberty.

Well if we're nitpicking... those Tubman's are not actually out yet, and most likely they won't be issued any time in the next ten years...


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Message 27 of 29 (798162)
01-31-2017 1:28 PM
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01-31-2017 12:11 PM


Re: US Gold Coin, Featuring A Black Woman
NN writes:

and most likely they won't be issued any time in the next ten years.

Oh yeah, you're right. I momentarily forgot the political climate we are currently in.

My hopes and desires will need to be replaced with the coin below, for at least the next four years, . . . or till the earth has been blown up . . . which should be sometime next Wednesday, . . . noonish.

(So much for my original plan NOT to use privileged white men on coins and bills)


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Message 28 of 29 (798163)
01-31-2017 1:34 PM
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01-31-2017 12:07 PM


Re: US Gold Coin, Featuring A Black Woman
quote:
Obviously lady liberty is a white European.

Jeesh, even in symbolism, there is white privilege. Sigh.


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Message 29 of 29 (890866)
01-11-2022 9:48 AM


Maya Angelou, FIRST BLACK woman on U.S. coin
I'm very happy,

But I still look forward to having Tubman replace Jackson on the $20 bill. We've been good, but we can't last, hurry treasury, hurry fast.

“You can kill me with your hatefulness, but just like life, I rise.” The legend lives on in not just her words but in new quarters we will see in circulation this month. The incredible Dr. Maya Angelou is the first to appear in a series of commemorative quarters honoring influential women.

(not sure why the pict isn't showing: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FIwniulXMAEggEF?format=jpg&na...)

The five coins will still have George Washington on the face, but the honorees will be featured on the reverse side.

. . . some women did appear on U.S. coins, including Helen Keller on the 2003 Alabama quarter as part of the 50 State Quarters Program. Additionally, the 2004 Iowa state quarter featured an image of a female teacher. Susan B. Anthony also appeared on a dollar coin in 1979 and Native American Sacajawea appears on a golden dollar coin issued in 2000.

'But just like life, I rise': Maya Angelou becomes first Black woman to be on U.S. coin


  
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