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LamarkNewAge 
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Message 7 of 81 (890620)
01-08-2022 6:32 PM


Which reply "discussed" the assertions?
The Evc crew & your friend are just about the same thing, imo.

I am watching this discussion.

(I never heard of a single claim your friend made,fyi, and I mean it)

I never heard of anyone saying what your friend said.

But engage the "discussion".

What is the most common source for these direct assertions?


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Message 8 of 81 (890621)
01-08-2022 6:34 PM
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01-08-2022 6:32 PM


Re: Which reply "discussed" the assertions?
Then respond.

(I am assuming that there are "false flag" theories,right?)

I am hearing this for the first time, but my memory could be failing me.


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Message 10 of 81 (890626)
01-08-2022 7:54 PM
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01-08-2022 6:51 PM


Re: Which reply "discussed" the assertions?
False Flags have been commonly seen as historical events, until the last 50 years.

(The last 45+ years, historically speaking, have seen false flags relegated to conspiracy lore - quote.)

So respond to them.

(Especially with a mouth like yours!)


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Message 11 of 81 (890627)
01-08-2022 7:59 PM
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01-08-2022 6:51 PM


Re: Which reply "discussed" the assertions?
What do you think of "Operation Gladio"?

Tonkin has been seen as the last verified "false flag" event.

(1964ish)

Gladio was more recent, but the exact details & scope are controversial.

Alex Jones said that a Bologna train blast was part of an attempt to hurt the powerful Italian Communist party, 40 years ago.

Communists were getting over 40% of the vote, in Italy. Powerful interests conspiratorially stopped them, with false flags.

I dont know what is true.

What do you know?

(You say you know "it all", of course)


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Message 16 of 81 (890652)
01-09-2022 1:27 PM
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01-08-2022 8:08 PM


Re: Which reply "discussed" the assertions?
I just remembered something I read, a month ago, that mentioned the false flag theory.

But, I saw, heard, or read nothing about it, since.

However:

I know alot of people who have had various false flag theories, about fairly recent events.

They tend to find their self-annointed critics (Percy would fit the role of the critic - in this situation) extremely ignorant of the relevant historical false flag discussion. They will be very likely to see all-too-many of their critics as - quite simply - not part of any useful informative discussion.

The fact that the critical thinking requirement, to possess certain knowledge of relevant historical facts (with attending theories), is usually not met, by the critics, only contributes massively to the preconceived beliefs & notions of a false-flag promoter's mindset.

That would be my diagnosis of the problem.


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Message 18 of 81 (890676)
01-09-2022 4:01 PM
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01-09-2022 3:01 PM


Re: Which reply "discussed" the assertions?
I know little to nothing about any sort of FBI infiltration concerning the Jan 6 riots. I doubt that anyone, pre Jan 6, would have guessed what we NOW know about the spontaneous incident. It is always nice to have that good old "20/20" hindsight.

I suspect that the FBI had no reason to infiltrate a Presidential rally on January 6.

Having undercover agents is a 100% prerequisite for any sort of false flag operation.

BUT ISN'T THE CONSPIRACY THEORY OF THE DAY...

...the one that claims Trump called for bloody violence in the January 6 speech?

(With additional embellishments surrounding some sort of Trump/Bannon led attempt to overthrow the government)

(Right?)


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Message 19 of 81 (890678)
01-09-2022 4:09 PM
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01-09-2022 3:01 PM


Re: Which reply "discussed" the assertions?
I have been quite vocal in battling the disgraceful conspiracy theories, surrounding the Jan 6 incident.

Yes, I am bragging.

But it is only bragging when it is true.

(I know how to read, so I know the theories are pure crap. Trump called for "peaceful" protests)

(I want Democrats to loose the loss they deserve for using Jan 6 to literally end the constitutional right to free speech)

The Jan 6 aftermath has been the most dangerous assault on freedom that I have every seen.

I probably will be fighting hard to defeat the fascist Democratic party for a long time. I have alot of progressive friends who are scared to death at the 2021 Democratic party. Many are about to cast a vote for Republicans when just the thought of voting GOP seemed as unlikely as ever, in 2020.

Freedom is on the line.

Choice:

Freedom...

or fascism?


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Message 22 of 81 (890682)
01-09-2022 4:43 PM
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01-09-2022 4:15 PM


Re: Which reply "discussed" the assertions?
I have personally known of non-Christian individuals to infiltrate (perhaps I should put infiltrate in quotes) certain right-wing meetings.

I also read of ADL members making a big scene, while pretending to be Christian gun-nuts.

The Anti Deflamation League has a page, online, about Alex Jones. The ADL seems to admit that he is not anti-semitic, but they did make note of his comment that there were probably Jewish individuals pretending to be right-wingers at Charlottesville, during the deadly event.

The communists had a term called something like, mover-upers. People who faked to be a believer in a party, that they secretly opposed. Western governments used the same term. Australia had tough laws against fifth columnists. Even if they were peaceful pro-western democratic party infiltrators.

This sort of thing is quite typical.

It can count as a "false flag", but one must learn details.


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Message 23 of 81 (890683)
01-09-2022 4:46 PM


Entryism has been a common tactic
Western governments passed laws against such.

Entryism

(I incorrectly said "mover-uppers")


  
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Message 25 of 81 (890686)
01-09-2022 9:56 PM


John Sullivan: "Let's burn this shit down" Politico admits
Look up John Sullivan.

On January 6, he is caught on video, charging into the capital and egging the protesters on.

He lied about being a reporter, when initially questioned.

(I just discovered this, after I struggled to find the John Birvh Society magazine. THE NEW AMERICAN.)

(I had to do about 20 google searches to find the magazine)

The New American article linked to a Politico page, where they had to admit to mistakes in the earlier " fact check".

I still do not subscribe to a "false flag" theory, but the fakers were involved, for deception and high hopes for a spectacle.


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Message 27 of 81 (890688)
01-09-2022 11:48 PM
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01-09-2022 11:24 PM


Re: John Sullivan: "Let's burn this shit down" Politico admits
Those who can read know Trump called for a peaceful protest.

Your fascist mind seems to make you think reading is somehow outlawed.

Your ilk terrorised Mark Zuckerberg into censoring Facebook. Google has went to shit, like the former Library of Alexandria.

As long as people can read, you loose, on the Jan 6 issue. I just hope our freedoms survive.

BUT

BUT

BUT

We were talking about the harmless false flag theory of Jan 6, not your fascist delusion which threatens us all.

What were we discussing?

The academic issue of false flags?

Or your loaded fascist accusations, that have endless censorship & imprisonment interlaced?

(I just remembered; fascists like you see false flag theorists as criminals, right?)

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Message 34 of 81 (890849)
01-11-2022 12:21 AM


The main conspiracy theory is the "Inside Job" accusation against the GOP & Trump.
A Reuters article, August 20, 2021, coauthored by Mark Hosenhall ( the Newsweek guy from Sept 2001, I quoted months ago) flat out stated the FBI rejected the theory that Roger Stone & Alex Jones were involved in planning an operation on Jan 6.

The article said that there was no orchestrated attempt to invade the Capitol. The issue was centered around the accusation against Trump.

The EvC crew wants to play up "inside job" theories against the FBI (and I suppose BLM & antifa).

I have found zero evidence for the fringe theory, the crew is obsessed with.

I did find out that an FBI special agent was present, at the protests, but he was the brother of a legit Trump supporter, Mark Ibrahim. Mark Ibrahim is charged with carrying a gun on the Capitol grounds, Jan 6. Ironically, he was there to film the protest, which he sincerely supported.

(My problem is with fake shit snitches, who pretend to be "outraged", while they actually feel January 6 was the best thing to have ever happened - congressional Democrats are one example. We all know that the partisan Democrats are delighted Jan 6 spun out of hand, honestly.)

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Message 36 of 81 (890869)
01-11-2022 10:11 AM
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01-11-2022 8:56 AM


Re: The main conspiracy theory is the "Inside Job" accusation against the GOP & Trump.
My phone does not show me URLs

The fringe theory is the accusation against the FBI (and to some extent BLM & antifa).

I did not say that "inside job" theories, especially the popular ones accusing Trump & the GOP, were all fringe. Quite the contrary, just read the mainstream media articles, for evidence that they are, at-least, popular.

I said the EvC crew was obsessed with "conspiracy theory"-ridicule when their target is a theory that is not the main issue, except as a counter-punch by some Trump-defenders.

I dont see significant levels of "infiltration", in the Jan 6 rally, to justify the "fringe theory" ; again, the "fringe theory" is one of the those things Percy was ripping (without any detail, however) in his OP.


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Message 40 of 81 (890902)
01-11-2022 2:43 PM


Exckusive: FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol Attack was Coordinated (Reuters Aug
Aug 20,2021

Mark Hosenball.

There is is.

Reuters own first-rate reporting, from a first rate reporter.

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Message 44 of 81 (890912)
01-11-2022 9:18 PM
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01-11-2022 3:19 PM


Re: Exckusive: FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol Attack was Coordinated (Reuters Aug
So was Kyle Kremer implicated in the break in?

Was he carrying guns or knives?

(I read that the only people on Jan 6 who suffered deaths - 3 specifically - were Trump supporters, so I wont ask if he killed anybody.)

I will ask if he directed others to attempt violence.

Theodoric, was is the big beef with Kyle Kremer?

What did he do?

(I ask these questions, knowing I will eventually read your link & google the guy's name)

I never heard of the man. You only showed me he was a Trump supporter who was at the rally, & planned to march toward the Capitol grounds.

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