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Tangle
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Message 238 of 536 (890815)
01-10-2022 6:11 PM
Reply to: Message 232 by Porkncheese
01-10-2022 5:46 PM


Re: Me COVID and Vax
PorkiePies writes:

I haven't opted out of anything.

You have opted out of the mass vaccination scheme which is there to protect society as a whole. Your choice. Your consequences.

I'll ask you again - third time - do you also elect to opt out of treatment should you get ill with COVID?


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 252 of 536 (890856)
01-11-2022 3:11 AM


Wow, it's the full nutter rant. Homophobia, Bill Gates, microchips in the vaccination, communism, totalitarianism, persecution etc.

Probably owns an arsenal of guns, a lynch rope (just in case) and, of course, is a True Christian


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


  
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Message 257 of 536 (890873)
01-11-2022 10:38 AM


I wasn't going to bother but as Percy has had the patience to do it...

Deaths from vaccination in the UK from the official ONS (Office of National Statistics - who are very good btw)

quote:
to August 2021 (June 2021 in Northern Ireland) there were 4 deaths in England, 0 deaths in Wales, 4 deaths in Scotland and 1 in Northern Ireland. Of these, 4 in Scotland and 1 in Northern Ireland had the vaccine as the underlying cause of death. This meant that there were 9 deaths in the UK that involved the vaccine (meaning the vaccine contributed to the death), of which 5 had the vaccine as the underlying cause (meaning the vaccine initiated the chain of events directly leading to the death). For these deaths, there was evidence to suggest that the vaccine played a part in the chain of events that led to the death.

There is another set of numbers that come from the Yellow Card Scheme: "between 9 December 2020 and 8 September 2021 there were 1,645 deaths" But these numbers are not death from vaccinations, they're just deaths occurring some time after vaccination.

quote:
The Yellow Card Scheme data, by contrast, give an important early warning about possible deaths relating to COVID-19 vaccinations, and form a basis for further investigations. However, the numbers don’t show confirmed cases of deaths linked to the vaccines and should not be used for this purpose. Many of these deaths will actually have had other causes, which explains why these numbers are so much higher than the deaths registrations.

How many people have died as a result of a COVID-19 vaccine? | National Statistical

On the other side of the equation, the UK has just passed 150,000 COVID deaths.

And, of course, we should include the lives saved by the vaccine.

quote:
The latest estimates suggest that 105,900 deaths and 24,088,000 infections have been prevented as a result of the COVID-19 vaccination programme, up to 20 August.

COVID-19 vaccine surveillance report published

Also, let's forget about long COVID eh?


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


  
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Message 270 of 536 (890934)
01-12-2022 9:01 AM
Reply to: Message 266 by Porkncheese
01-12-2022 7:56 AM


PorkyPies writes:

Please... Iv had covid... I was fine... I have natural immunity and can prove it with an antibody test...

You got lucky, good for you.
Your degree of immunity is declining; you are not immune. The science is very clear that antibodies acquired by catching the disease are no-where near as useful as a combination of the vaccine plus naturally acquired antibodies.

But they aren't interested in who is immune

That's because you are not immune. Did someone tell you that you can't catch it again?

Director of the CDC says that "over 75% of covid deaths happened in people with at least 4 comorbidities. These are people who were unwell to begin with"

I have no idea where that comes from but it's highly likely now that because of the very high level of immunity from the vaccines that it's mostly the very vulnerable that will be killed by this virus (and a proportion of the very stupid.)

Of course, without the lockdowns and self-isolation those vulnerable people would have been killed off in the first wave. And without the vaccine they would have all been killed off eventually. I suppose you're ok with that?

Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 278 of 536 (890944)
01-12-2022 10:07 AM


I think it's time for some moderator intervention, this idiot is making no attempt to discuss anything.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


  
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Message 287 of 536 (890954)
01-12-2022 10:41 AM
Reply to: Message 285 by Porkncheese
01-12-2022 10:32 AM


Porky Pies writes:

So its ok if people die from the vax as long as its saving some others...

"Unvaccinated Americans have died at 11 times the rate of those fully vaccinated since the delta variant became the dominant strain, indicate surveillance data gathered over the summer by the US Centers for Disease Control.

Vaccinated people were 10 times less likely to be admitted to hospital and five times less likely to be infected than unvaccinated people, found one study that tracked adults across 13 states and cities."

Covid-19: Unvaccinated face 11 times risk of death from delta variant, CDC data show

(BMJ = British Medical Journal)


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 289 of 536 (890957)
01-12-2022 11:28 AM
Reply to: Message 288 by Porkncheese
01-12-2022 10:58 AM


Re: Murdering people in the name of covid
Porky Pies writes:

This is by far the sickest forum I'm on...

...and that's a lie too isn't it?


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 309 of 536 (891322)
01-25-2022 9:47 AM
Reply to: Message 308 by Percy
01-25-2022 8:25 AM


Re: New Omicron Variant
And there are two new SARS-COV-2 "Variants of Interest" that have advanced enough to get greek letters. Lambda and Mu. The fat lady has not yet sung.

Tracking SARS-CoV-2 variants

It's evolving but it's still a virus ;-)


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 342 of 536 (892777)
03-13-2022 4:25 PM


All COVID restrictions were removed a couple of weeks ago here. Everything is now back to normal. Everything fully open, almost like COVID never happened.

There's a high and increasing rate of infection but it's mostly like having a cold. We're living with it now.

Pending a new variant of course.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


  
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Message 348 of 536 (892830)
03-15-2022 2:27 PM


There's a big uptick in COVID infections. Parts of Japan has gone into lockdown, 30m are in lockdown in China, we're seeing increasing hospitalisations.

You Americans are only 35% fully vaccinated - it's coming your way again.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 370 of 536 (893107)
03-27-2022 10:00 AM
Reply to: Message 369 by Percy
03-27-2022 9:18 AM


Re: We're Giving Up Too Soon
We have the highest level of infections we've ever had. We have no restrictions on anything and mask wearing is a thing of the past.

But hospitalisations and deaths from it are low.

Here we've moved to the 'living with it' phase. The newest variant is more infectious but no worse that the last - people are treating it like a mild cold. Which seems reasonable actually.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 372 of 536 (893114)
03-27-2022 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 371 by jar
03-27-2022 12:07 PM


Re: We're Giving Up Too Soon
jar writes:

Folk tend to forget that each new variant is in-addition-to all the prior variants and not a replacement of them.

By-and-large, that's not true apparently; the more infectious variants out-compete the less. I remember being surprised when I heard that said by an epidemiologist. eg Omicron pretty much saw off Delta here.

I suspect this is an open invite to google…


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 419 of 536 (894227)
05-07-2022 11:44 AM


We're all back to normal here. A few weeks ago - also when all restrictions had been lifted - we had the highest infection rate since the beginning of COVID. But hospitalisations were low and deaths very low.
We're in the 'living with it' mode now. And infection rates are falling fast.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 421 of 536 (894229)
05-07-2022 1:12 PM
Reply to: Message 420 by Percy
05-07-2022 12:11 PM


Well I'm heading your way tomorrow. Going to New York the slow way, via the Queen Mary 2. Trip booked in 2019!
I had my COVID test today, I'm all clear. Can you please tell the bugs in Yankyland that we're not interested, thanks.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 423 of 536 (894233)
05-07-2022 1:56 PM
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05-07-2022 1:30 PM


Incoming!

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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