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Author Topic:   COVID vaccine works - we're saved!
Percy
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Message 256 of 500 (890870)
01-11-2022 10:14 AM
Reply to: Message 203 by Porkncheese
01-10-2022 9:52 AM


Porknchees writes:

I am by not taking a dangerous experimental injection that has killed and disabled so many people

I tried to look up how many people had been killed or disabled from the vaccine and found this page from the CDC: COVID-19 Vaccination. It says that anaphylaxis (allergic reaction) is rare and occurs in about 0.0005% of cases, but anaphylaxis is a risk in any vaccinations, such as the annual flu shot. It didn't say how many cases of anaphylaxis attacks resulted in death or disablement, but generally treatment of anaphylaxis reactions is easy and extremely effective, but if you take the shot, immediately disappear down an alley, and suffer an anaphylaxis attack, the outlook is not good for you. That's why you're asked to wait for 15 minutes after the shot before leaving.

It also says the J&J shot can cause TTS (blood clots), which has been confirmed in 0.00043% of doses. There have been nine deaths directly attributed to TTS, which with 17.2 million doses comes out to 0.00005%.

Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS) is another risk with the J&J vaccine. Most people fully recover, but some suffer permanent nerve damage. 283 cases of GBS have been reported.

For all vaccines, through mid-December there have been reports of 10,688 deaths (0.0022%) from about a half billion doses, but those are deaths reported through the VAERS system, which only records how many vaccinated people died, not how many died from the vaccine. Many elderly people received the vaccine, and it subsequently died then if they were vaccinated they were recorded in VAERS no matter the cause of death.

Notice how microscopic are the number of deaths from the vaccines. On the other hand, about 1.3% of known cases in the US have resulted in death. Your chances of death from covid are about 1000 times greater than from the vaccine.

--Percy


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Tangle
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Message 257 of 500 (890873)
01-11-2022 10:38 AM


I wasn't going to bother but as Percy has had the patience to do it...

Deaths from vaccination in the UK from the official ONS (Office of National Statistics - who are very good btw)

quote:
to August 2021 (June 2021 in Northern Ireland) there were 4 deaths in England, 0 deaths in Wales, 4 deaths in Scotland and 1 in Northern Ireland. Of these, 4 in Scotland and 1 in Northern Ireland had the vaccine as the underlying cause of death. This meant that there were 9 deaths in the UK that involved the vaccine (meaning the vaccine contributed to the death), of which 5 had the vaccine as the underlying cause (meaning the vaccine initiated the chain of events directly leading to the death). For these deaths, there was evidence to suggest that the vaccine played a part in the chain of events that led to the death.

There is another set of numbers that come from the Yellow Card Scheme: "between 9 December 2020 and 8 September 2021 there were 1,645 deaths" But these numbers are not death from vaccinations, they're just deaths occurring some time after vaccination.

quote:
The Yellow Card Scheme data, by contrast, give an important early warning about possible deaths relating to COVID-19 vaccinations, and form a basis for further investigations. However, the numbers don’t show confirmed cases of deaths linked to the vaccines and should not be used for this purpose. Many of these deaths will actually have had other causes, which explains why these numbers are so much higher than the deaths registrations.

How many people have died as a result of a COVID-19 vaccine? | National Statistical

On the other side of the equation, the UK has just passed 150,000 COVID deaths.

And, of course, we should include the lives saved by the vaccine.

quote:
The latest estimates suggest that 105,900 deaths and 24,088,000 infections have been prevented as a result of the COVID-19 vaccination programme, up to 20 August.

COVID-19 vaccine surveillance report published

Also, let's forget about long COVID eh?


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Message 258 of 500 (890876)
01-11-2022 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 220 by Porkncheese
01-10-2022 1:23 PM


Porkncheese writes:

We ought to love one another.
But what's a needle got to do with that?


Without the needle, you can infect others and potentially kill them. Getting the needle is like not driving your car down the street at a hunfred miles an hour while firing a machine-gun out the window.

Porlncheese writes:

We've done nothing wrong


Sometimes doing nothing is wrong.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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xongsmith
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Message 259 of 500 (890890)
01-11-2022 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 244 by Porkncheese
01-10-2022 11:58 PM


Cheese continues his assholeness with
If the vaccine actually gave you immunity then you wouldn't have to worry about the unvaxed...

What about those who are medically contraindicated? Shouldn't we all get vaccinated before we are in their company? To want to get vaccinated but be unable to and then have to deal with these unvaccinated assholes who would likely infect them by orders of magnitude more than vaccinated morally compassionate and empathetic individuals - it would be terrifying.


"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."

- xongsmith, 5.7d


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xongsmith
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Message 260 of 500 (890892)
01-11-2022 1:12 PM
Reply to: Message 244 by Porkncheese
01-10-2022 11:58 PM


more bad cheese
Cheese continues with
I bet some of you would cheer on our incarceration as well... Better yet why not exterminate us...

NO! Migod you are ignorant!! We want you to get vaccinated for the good of your family, your loved ones, the medical community and the world. We care about you despite your assholeness. It's called EMPATHY, something the right wing has lost 60 years ago.

You do drive on the correct side of the road, don't you?

You are careening into LNA territory and may need to be shunned for awhile.


"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."

- xongsmith, 5.7d


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xongsmith
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Message 261 of 500 (890893)
01-11-2022 1:18 PM
Reply to: Message 253 by AZPaul3
01-11-2022 5:30 AM


poor Richard
AZPaul3 in his post says
based on Reich-wing propaganda

Alas,
Poor Richard Reich, one of the very best people on the planet, ruined by Hitler's 3rd Reich. An unfortunate naming coincidence.


"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."

- xongsmith, 5.7d


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xongsmith
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Message 262 of 500 (890896)
01-11-2022 1:29 PM
Reply to: Message 246 by Porkncheese
01-11-2022 12:06 AM


more bad cheese
Cheese writes
These were the claims they made about the experimental shot
They said it would provide herd immunity - Refuted
They said it would end the pandemic - Refuted
They said it would get life back to normal - Refuted
They said it was 90% effective at preventing infection - Refuted
They said two doses would do the job - Refuted

None of the evidence is showing these vaccines are working like they said it would.
In fact it has made it worse as predicted by many experts.

it could if some 70+% had complied within the first 2-3 months. The idiocity running amok did not comply. it might have ended if we had behaved. 90% on the original variant was an estimate and proved to be mostly true, but. Since then we've seen Delta and Omicron variants arrive, because the mutations are continuing to get a chance mutate in unvaccinated idiots.

ALL OF YOUR BULLSHIT ignores that FACT the the USA and others DID NOT BEHAVE.


"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."

- xongsmith, 5.7d


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jar
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Message 263 of 500 (890908)
01-11-2022 7:36 PM


Hidalgo County new cases back to crazy levels
Well, we are back to a daily average of over 1000 new cases. That's as high as at any period in the last couple years.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Great way to start 2022.


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DrJones*
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Message 264 of 500 (890920)
01-11-2022 11:23 PM
Reply to: Message 248 by Porkncheese
01-11-2022 12:51 AM


Justin Trudeau doesn't try to make excuses he tells it how it is

"Regardless of the fact that we are attacking your fundamental rights, we're still going to go ahead and do it"
"its a loophole that allows the majority to overwrite the fundamental rights of a minority"

you didn't watch the linked video, did you.

Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.


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soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
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DrJones*
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Message 265 of 500 (890921)
01-11-2022 11:24 PM
Reply to: Message 251 by Porkncheese
01-11-2022 1:15 AM


Re: Hypnotized Hypochondriacs
what a fucking snowflake.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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Porkncheese
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Message 266 of 500 (890929)
01-12-2022 7:56 AM
Reply to: Message 256 by Percy
01-11-2022 10:14 AM


Please... Iv had covid... I was fine... I have natural immunity and can prove it with an antibody test...
But they aren't interested in who is immune they just want to jab everyone... Thats been their aim from the start

Director of the CDC says that "over 75% of covid deaths happened in people with at least 4 comorbidities. These are people who were unwell to begin with"

Their only saying this now but its been known for a while that only 6% of covid deaths had no comorbidities.
I'll be generous and bring the total deaths from covid in the USA down to 10% instead of 6%...
So instead of this inflated figure of 840,000 what we really have is only 84,000 deaths with an average age of 85yo. Life expectancy is 80

The chances of someone my age dying from covid is tiny...

Meanwhile the deaths and side effects from the experimental needles are being under reported... Iv seen this here in Australia with people i know and doctors dismissing the syringe as a cause even when they have no other cause and even when it happened the next day

VAERS has about 20,000 reported deaths but that is really anywhere between 200,000 deaths and 2 millions deaths...
And these are people of all ages young and old...

What i find astonishing is how people were up in arms at the elderly dying from natural causes yet remain silent on young people dying from the needle
They know its killing people and they are still jabbing people saying its safe and forcing people... Its murder

So try again... Why should i be forced to take these injections???
So far iv received nothing but rubbish to that question. There is no valid excuse for stripping our rights


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jar
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Message 267 of 500 (890930)
01-12-2022 8:15 AM
Reply to: Message 266 by Porkncheese
01-12-2022 7:56 AM


And you post another example of the lies committed by you and your sources.

Project Veritas is a well know site that has a long history of doctoring the evidence to fool fools like you.

See Snopes.com analysis of your source.

At best you are simply another sucker that has been conned and if you ever learned how to keep your mouth shut it would be okay.

But you can't.


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Message 268 of 500 (890931)
01-12-2022 8:35 AM
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01-12-2022 8:15 AM


No need for Snopes
It’s pretty obvious when the chyron reads “…severe illness rare among vaccinated people” and she goes on to praise the vaccine for the figures. It’s an example of the vaccine saving lives.

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Theodoric
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Message 269 of 500 (890933)
01-12-2022 8:55 AM
Reply to: Message 266 by Porkncheese
01-12-2022 7:56 AM


More words you don't seem to understand
Any idea what comorbidity means? Any?
Hint it doesn't have anything to do with dying. Will you answer? If you do it will be more lies and out of context crap.

This is a prime example of idiots spreading lies because they have no idea what words mean.
The whole comorbidity argument does not support the anti-vax argument at all.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Tangle
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Message 270 of 500 (890934)
01-12-2022 9:01 AM
Reply to: Message 266 by Porkncheese
01-12-2022 7:56 AM


PorkyPies writes:

Please... Iv had covid... I was fine... I have natural immunity and can prove it with an antibody test...

You got lucky, good for you.
Your degree of immunity is declining; you are not immune. The science is very clear that antibodies acquired by catching the disease are no-where near as useful as a combination of the vaccine plus naturally acquired antibodies.

But they aren't interested in who is immune

That's because you are not immune. Did someone tell you that you can't catch it again?

Director of the CDC says that "over 75% of covid deaths happened in people with at least 4 comorbidities. These are people who were unwell to begin with"

I have no idea where that comes from but it's highly likely now that because of the very high level of immunity from the vaccines that it's mostly the very vulnerable that will be killed by this virus (and a proportion of the very stupid.)

Of course, without the lockdowns and self-isolation those vulnerable people would have been killed off in the first wave. And without the vaccine they would have all been killed off eventually. I suppose you're ok with that?

Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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