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Message 78 of 536 (886098)
05-05-2021 7:24 PM


Trump's virus handling
i am still on some kind of fence wondering if the winds of fortune put the virus, COVID-19, into the end of Trump's only term. imagining the horrors of a 2nd Trump term versus some 578,000 dead? hmmm...still thinking in my best Jack Benny voice.

For certain, if he had come out for masks, and set up a logical plan to deal with it - perhaps used the playbook he was given, then he would have been re-elected. As it was, 74 million STILL voted for him!!!

hmmmmm...still thinking....


"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."

- xongsmith, 5.7d


  
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Message 81 of 536 (886134)
05-06-2021 8:46 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by AnswersInGenitals
05-06-2021 3:43 PM


Re: The Trumpandemic
our own AIG suggests:
the Trumpandemic

love it. rolls off the tongue.


"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."

- xongsmith, 5.7d


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Message 149 of 536 (888853)
10-12-2021 2:58 PM
Reply to: Message 148 by LamarkNewAge
10-12-2021 9:42 AM


Re: How Are We Supposed To Feel About Dead Antivaxers?
LNA spouts out
Most anti-vaccine people tend to be from racial minority groups (Puerto Ricans in New York, for example), and it comes from a fear that the ****** majority is trying to kill them. ...

Do you have a source? Seems an odd conclusion. Most of the anti-vaxxers out here in the sticks are white. They also believe we never went to the moon, 9/11 was an inside job and so on.


"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."

- xongsmith, 5.7d


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Message 154 of 536 (888874)
10-17-2021 4:51 PM
Reply to: Message 153 by LamarkNewAge
10-17-2021 1:21 PM


Re: How Are We Supposed To Feel About Dead Antivaxers?
LNA writes:
I just found a September 2020 poll, by AEI, that covered LOTS of issues.

Back when a bit less than half of Americans said they would get a FDA-approved vaccine, only 20% of blacks said they would.

ok. but then even I would have had reservations. Afterall, Trump was in office and this may have been seen as a political stunt. And he turns everything he touches into shit. And obviously he is a racist.

I think the tide is turning now, but haven't seen anything.


"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."

- xongsmith, 5.7d


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Message 156 of 536 (888879)
10-17-2021 9:51 PM
Reply to: Message 155 by LamarkNewAge
10-17-2021 7:50 PM


Re: How Are We Supposed To Feel About Dead Antivaxers?
LNA continues:
it seems that the majority of black Americans do not see Trump as holding racial views different from the average American white (including white liberals)

that would be correct. The average white American is racist.

even myself, constantly trying to identify it and stop it. we all are.


"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."

- xongsmith, 5.7d


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Message 242 of 536 (890827)
01-10-2022 6:59 PM
Reply to: Message 219 by Porkncheese
01-10-2022 1:18 PM


Cheese writes
The jab does give you antibodies according to studies but their gone in 12 weeks so u need boosters. And you can still catch and spread it. Natural immunity is better

No, it is not. It can be good enough for most of your time and you can be carrying around an infectious disease without even knowing it for weeks. 85% is BETTER than your natural 45% for example. The vaccination numbers you mentioned are all either fabricated lies by the Q-rightwingers or just presented without context against the millions who have died without the vaccines. VAERS? Don't make me laugh. You need to fully arm yourself against this war, so to speak.

YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPREAD A POTENTIALLY FATAL DISEASE TO OTHERS

Get vaccinated, unless you are factually medically contraindicated, and, as always these days, Mask Up when near other people.

And if you are factually medically contraindicated, for heaven's sake get everyone around you to vaccinate and lower the chances that they would infect you. You should be terrified of the Unvaccinated.


"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."

- xongsmith, 5.7d


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Message 243 of 536 (890833)
01-10-2022 7:34 PM
Reply to: Message 226 by Porkncheese
01-10-2022 4:01 PM


Re: Me COVID and Vax
Cheese writes
Their original claim was that these injections would provide herd immunity, end the pandemic and bring life back to normal... That didn't happen so they fell back and said it lowers symptoms

No. The original claim was that if enough got vaccinated right then, something like 70% or more, then we'd get near herd immunity. BUT The Stupid USA populace, particularly Trumpers and Republicans, though, said "Oh yeah? MY FREEDUMBS, I ain't doin' that! You can't tell me what to do!" and we fell far short of 70% for the first 2-3 months when we had the chance. We are still under 60%. Hell, I haven't checked today's numbers. MEANWHILE, the COVID-19 virus keeps on mutating and making the vaccinations trying to hit a moving target. And the vaccinated do predominantly report reduced symptoms, if they report any. There are, as expected in a sample size of 330 millions, a few deaths.

With this country so obstinately stupid and stubborn and the internet making soapboxes cheaply available for any vicious fool to yell on, i'm sorry to say that we will never achieve "herd immunity".

ABE: About 74.4% of people in the US have received at least one COVID-19 shot. About 62.6% of people are fully vaccinated.
About 18.7% of the shots distributed haven't been used yet.


"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."

- xongsmith, 5.7d


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Message 259 of 536 (890890)
01-11-2022 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 244 by Porkncheese
01-10-2022 11:58 PM


Cheese continues his assholeness with
If the vaccine actually gave you immunity then you wouldn't have to worry about the unvaxed...

What about those who are medically contraindicated? Shouldn't we all get vaccinated before we are in their company? To want to get vaccinated but be unable to and then have to deal with these unvaccinated assholes who would likely infect them by orders of magnitude more than vaccinated morally compassionate and empathetic individuals - it would be terrifying.


"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."

- xongsmith, 5.7d


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Message 260 of 536 (890892)
01-11-2022 1:12 PM
Reply to: Message 244 by Porkncheese
01-10-2022 11:58 PM


more bad cheese
Cheese continues with
I bet some of you would cheer on our incarceration as well... Better yet why not exterminate us...

NO! Migod you are ignorant!! We want you to get vaccinated for the good of your family, your loved ones, the medical community and the world. We care about you despite your assholeness. It's called EMPATHY, something the right wing has lost 60 years ago.

You do drive on the correct side of the road, don't you?

You are careening into LNA territory and may need to be shunned for awhile.


"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."

- xongsmith, 5.7d


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Message 261 of 536 (890893)
01-11-2022 1:18 PM
Reply to: Message 253 by AZPaul3
01-11-2022 5:30 AM


poor Richard
AZPaul3 in his post says
based on Reich-wing propaganda

Alas,
Poor Richard Reich, one of the very best people on the planet, ruined by Hitler's 3rd Reich. An unfortunate naming coincidence.


"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."

- xongsmith, 5.7d


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Message 262 of 536 (890896)
01-11-2022 1:29 PM
Reply to: Message 246 by Porkncheese
01-11-2022 12:06 AM


more bad cheese
Cheese writes
These were the claims they made about the experimental shot
They said it would provide herd immunity - Refuted
They said it would end the pandemic - Refuted
They said it would get life back to normal - Refuted
They said it was 90% effective at preventing infection - Refuted
They said two doses would do the job - Refuted

None of the evidence is showing these vaccines are working like they said it would.
In fact it has made it worse as predicted by many experts.

it could if some 70+% had complied within the first 2-3 months. The idiocity running amok did not comply. it might have ended if we had behaved. 90% on the original variant was an estimate and proved to be mostly true, but. Since then we've seen Delta and Omicron variants arrive, because the mutations are continuing to get a chance mutate in unvaccinated idiots.

ALL OF YOUR BULLSHIT ignores that FACT the the USA and others DID NOT BEHAVE.


"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."

- xongsmith, 5.7d


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Message 299 of 536 (891033)
01-13-2022 8:09 PM
Reply to: Message 298 by Percy
01-13-2022 7:18 PM


Percy notes
sometimes they'll post just to get a rise out of people

i blame the internet ever since the famous typo

"pwned"

started a whole macho thing that fed the Rambo mentality of testosterone gone amok that manifests itself in part today as

"owning the libs".

Its sort of a temper tantrum thing when you realize that you have nothing you can answer with, so you trash the place down with

"Oh yeah? well, fuck you then!"


"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."

- xongsmith, 5.7d


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Message 328 of 536 (891749)
02-10-2022 1:01 PM
Reply to: Message 325 by Tanypteryx
02-10-2022 11:10 AM


Re: Ice Hockey N95 Mask Tyranny
were the Russians also wearing masks?

i haven't been able to find out. probably not, i would guess.


"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."

- xongsmith, 5.7d


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xongsmith
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Message 341 of 536 (892754)
03-13-2022 1:05 PM
Reply to: Message 340 by Tanypteryx
03-13-2022 11:52 AM


Re: Mask mandates expire
Tanypteryx writes:
The mask mandates have expired here in Oregon this weekend. It will be interesting to see if Covid rates rise again. Our family will continue to avoid other people and will continue to wear masks when contact is unavoidable.

i'm with you on this. i also think it's still too soon. have 2 months of total lockdown and we can reduce it to a dull roar, like the flu but more dangerous to the elderly & immunocompromised. but no, watch the cases rise and the deaths continue.


"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."

Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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Message 353 of 536 (892856)
03-15-2022 9:08 PM


2nd booster?
i hear that a second booster is going to be recommended for elderly people like me and others here.

that'll make it 4 total jabs.

is this like getting Windows updates every 6 months?


"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."

Death to #TzarVladimirtheCondemned!

- xongsmith, 5.7dawkins scale


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