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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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LamarkNewAge writes:
According to Reuters Those who can read know Trump called for a peaceful protest.quote:Do you read "wild" as "peaceful"? "I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4443 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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He has left the building of reason & objective evidence and all he does now is regurgitate bizarre fantasies of what has happened since - oh, i dunno - the Dark Days of Joe McCarthy in the world of US politics. We keep checking the bottoms of our shoes to see if we stepped in it. Yeah, I do feel bad about Mark Zuckerberg though, he's been locked in his bathroom sobbing for months now.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
I cut off contact with 2 brothers. But they were racist assholes before donnie. Best thing I could have done. That toxicity is now gone.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2423 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
A Reuters article, August 20, 2021, coauthored by Mark Hosenhall ( the Newsweek guy from Sept 2001, I quoted months ago) flat out stated the FBI rejected the theory that Roger Stone & Alex Jones were involved in planning an operation on Jan 6.
The article said that there was no orchestrated attempt to invade the Capitol. The issue was centered around the accusation against Trump. The EvC crew wants to play up "inside job" theories against the FBI (and I suppose BLM & antifa). I have found zero evidence for the fringe theory, the crew is obsessed with. I did find out that an FBI special agent was present, at the protests, but he was the brother of a legit Trump supporter, Mark Ibrahim. Mark Ibrahim is charged with carrying a gun on the Capitol grounds, Jan 6. Ironically, he was there to film the protest, which he sincerely supported. (My problem is with fake shit snitches, who pretend to be "outraged", while they actually feel January 6 was the best thing to have ever happened - congressional Democrats are one example. We all know that the partisan Democrats are delighted Jan 6 spun out of hand, honestly.) Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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You might be taken more seriously(might but probably not) if you started with two simple things.
First, actually know the name of your supposed source. It is Hosenball. Second, provide a link to your supposed sources. Take care of that and we can go from there.
I have found zero evidence for the fringe theory, the crew is obsessed with.
Probably because you refuse to consider anything that does not confirm with your preconceived ideas. You are immune to evidence. Edited by Theodoric, : FormatEdited by Theodoric, : No reason given. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2423 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
My phone does not show me URLs
The fringe theory is the accusation against the FBI (and to some extent BLM & antifa). I did not say that "inside job" theories, especially the popular ones accusing Trump & the GOP, were all fringe. Quite the contrary, just read the mainstream media articles, for evidence that they are, at-least, popular. I said the EvC crew was obsessed with "conspiracy theory"-ridicule when their target is a theory that is not the main issue, except as a counter-punch by some Trump-defenders. I dont see significant levels of "infiltration", in the Jan 6 rally, to justify the "fringe theory" ; again, the "fringe theory" is one of the those things Percy was ripping (without any detail, however) in his OP.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4443 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
again, the "fringe theory" is one of the those things Percy was ripping (without any detail, however) in his OP. Can you point out where Percy said anything about fringe theory anywhere in his OP?What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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My phone does not show me URLs
A lame excuse is still just a lame excuse. URL's are in text format. You can type the URL. If you have trouble on your phone wait until you you are on a device that you can add the URL before you post unsupported assertions.If you won't do that then give the title of the article, date, and where you found it. Accurately quote what you think supports your claims. If you can't do any of that don't make the claim. I suspect the article if it does exist, does not support your claims. What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
My phone does not show me URLs
Just because you can not see the URL does not mean they are not available. But I am sure you now that.What kind of phone do you have? What is the OS? If there is no URL there is no website. I am sure you could find and share the url if you tried just a little tiny bit. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2423 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
Aug 20,2021
Mark Hosenball. There is is. Reuters own first-rate reporting, from a first rate reporter. Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
What is the title of the article? Did you find it on the Reuters website? You still provide no evidence that it supports your conclusions. Please quite the article. This is the same info you provided before.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
will repost response
Edited by Theodoric, : found articleEdited by Theodoric, : spelling Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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Found it.
Here is the actual quote.
quote: Exclusive: FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated - sources | Reuters All conjecture. Nothing actually from the FBI and it seems the congressional investigation is uncovering lots more. An article from Sept is ancient history in the investigation. More recent evidence. The Evidence of Coordination of the January 6th Events Is Actually Quite Clear | by Gippolito Ndp | Politically Speaking | Medium
quote:Sources:Jan. 6 WH Rally Team Used Burner Phones to Talk to White House – Rolling Stone Jan. 6 White House Rally Organizers Were ‘Following POTUS’ Lead’ – Rolling Stone Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2423 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
So was Kyle Kremer implicated in the break in?
Was he carrying guns or knives? (I read that the only people on Jan 6 who suffered deaths - 3 specifically - were Trump supporters, so I wont ask if he killed anybody.) I will ask if he directed others to attempt violence. Theodoric, was is the big beef with Kyle Kremer? What did he do? (I ask these questions, knowing I will eventually read your link & google the guy's name) I never heard of the man. You only showed me he was a Trump supporter who was at the rally, & planned to march toward the Capitol grounds. Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2423 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
A Jan 5, 2021 pro-Trump rally, featured an activist named Roy Epps.
He told the rally that the protestors should break into the Capitol, the next day. The Trump-supporting attendees started shouting: "Fed, Fed, Fed" They literally were calling any violent entry to the Capitol the work of the FBI! They called one of their own an FBI mole, for suggesting the Capitol should be breached. That guy I referenced earlier (forgot his name) was called the same thing, prior to the Capitol break in. Was Sullivam his name? Black Lives Matters called him an agent provocateur. Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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