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Message 225 of 461 (890780)
01-10-2022 3:42 PM


Me COVID and Vax
I am vaxed and boosted and getting out of COVID isolation tomorrow. My test came back last week positive. My symptoms were like a medium cold.
When the new booster comes out I will be in line for it. The reason my symptoms were mild is because I am vaxed.

Why am I vaccinated?
Why am I wearing a mask?
So when you or someone you love has a heart attack or a stroke or a car accident, or when your kid gets pneumonia, there will be a hospital bed for them because I won’t be in it.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 227 of 461 (890784)
01-10-2022 4:29 PM
Reply to: Message 226 by Porkncheese
01-10-2022 4:01 PM


Re: Me COVID and Vax
Well its your choice and everyone should have that choice

No it is a public health issue. Personal choices can and should be able to override personal choices. Can you let your sewage just run onto the ground or into waterways? No. Were vaccines mandated for a myriad of other diseases Yes. Is this the most tested vaccine of all time? Yes.
but did the vax work as they said it would

Yup. Sure did.
The article in the OP says it was 90% at preventing infection

Omicron changes that figure a little, but it is still high
yet you got infected even after 3 doses...

I see math and statistics are not your strong suit. Are you one of those that thought the 1/4 pounder at McDonalds was bigger than the 1/3 lb Whopper.

Im hearing this kind of argument a lot but it is a fallacy because you cannot prove such. We don't know if your symptoms would of
(the word you want here is have)
you been better or worse without the jab.
Its like me saying, im unvaxed and had covid. It was like a mild cold that would of been worse if i had the jab.
It cannot be proven

The overwhelming scientific evidence supports this conclusion. Science is not about proving, it is about showing what the evidence shows. 100's of millions of cases have shown that vaccinated people that get COVID have lessened symptoms and much better outcomes than unvaxed.

Its a shift of the goal posts.

No it isn't.
Their original claim was that these injections would provide herd immunity, end the pandemic and bring life back to normal...

This was dependent on 80+% getting the vaccine. People who care about themselves more than society as a whole. like you, prevented that from happening.
That didn't happen so they fell back and said it lowers symptoms

More lies. The scientific studies to authorize the vaccines themselves clearly talk about this. Just because you are too ignorant to understand science or read the original studies does not mean you were lied to. It just means you are ignorant.

Either way i wish the government would just leave us alone. Stop forcing by using coercion, blackmail, threats, bribery, ransom and such, these are all criminal offences. And stop discriminating against us. Leave us in peace cos we've done nothing wrong

There are rules to participate in society. If you don't follow them, you pay the consequence. Nothing the government has done is criminal and has been done in the past and the courts have agreed. Exercising your rights does not mean you are free from consequence.

Edited by Theodoric, : spelling


What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 229 of 461 (890801)
01-10-2022 5:25 PM
Reply to: Message 228 by Porkncheese
01-10-2022 4:40 PM


Re: Me COVID and Vax
You are not being discriminated against.
Discrimination is the unjust or prejudicial treatment of people because of their inherent differences. Not getting a vaccine is a personal choice. Things like ethnicity, age, sex, or disability are not.

Especially seeing that I have natural immunity from covid

The science(I know you hate scientific evidence) shows that your immunity is much less than the immunity imparted by the vaccine. I on the other hand will have super immunity for a while. Vaccined, boosted, and recovered from COVID is the gold seal of immunity. For a while.

She blinded me. With Science.

quote:
The new evidence shows that protective antibodies generated in response to an mRNA vaccine will target a broader range of SARS-CoV-2 variants carrying “single letter” changes in a key portion of their spike protein compared to antibodies acquired from an infection.

These results add to evidence that people with acquired immunity may have differing levels of protection to emerging SARS-CoV-2 variants. More importantly, the data provide further documentation that those who’ve had and recovered from a COVID-19 infection still stand to benefit from getting vaccinated.



https://directorsblog.nih.gov/...s-differs-from-an-infection
But NIH lies right. Because, because, well just because.

quote:
This study found that among Kentucky residents who were previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 in 2020, those who were unvaccinated against COVID-19 had significantly higher likelihood of reinfection during May and June 2021.

Reduced Risk of Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 After COVID-19...

If you are more likely to get the disease you are more likely to infect someone else. Not getting the vaccine is sociopathic and inherently deadly for people that interact with you.
You anti-vaxers are also more likely to not get tested when sick, so you don't know you have it until you have passed it on to many people. If you catch it and kill someone may you rot in whatever hell you believe in.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 236 of 461 (890813)
01-10-2022 6:09 PM
Reply to: Message 231 by Porkncheese
01-10-2022 5:42 PM


Re: Me COVID and Vax
So now you want to use the fallacy of equivocation. By claiming discrimination you are discussing the legal aspect of the word. The legal aspect means prejudicial treatment as I explained. Discrimination, as you want to use it, is not illegal. Happens every day.
Why should our fundamental rights be attacked by not being able to work or go places?

See you want to use the legal definition. You are not being discriminated against. You are suffering legal consequences of your actions or inactions.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 237 of 461 (890814)
01-10-2022 6:11 PM
Reply to: Message 234 by Porkncheese
01-10-2022 5:53 PM


Re: "We took the risk now everyone else has to"
Where did you get this supposed quote from?
Who said it?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 239 of 461 (890816)
01-10-2022 6:13 PM
Reply to: Message 235 by Porkncheese
01-10-2022 5:58 PM


Re: Me COVID and Vax
You are not being persecuted.
definition
subject (someone) to hostility and ill-treatment, especially because of their ethnicity, religion, or sexual orientation or their political beliefs.

You freely chose to not get vaccinated and put people around you hat heightened risk. Too bad.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 245 of 461 (890843)
01-11-2022 12:03 AM
Reply to: Message 244 by Porkncheese
01-10-2022 11:58 PM


Plato said that democracy will always be taken by totalitarianism.

Source?
When Plato talked about democracy he was not talking about the type of democracy we have.
That is the only thing in oiur rant worth addressing.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 247 of 461 (890847)
01-11-2022 12:12 AM
Reply to: Message 246 by Porkncheese
01-11-2022 12:06 AM


Do you even know what communists are?
That you attack people that way just shows you are not a serious debater. It exposes you as the troll you are.
Those points have been shown to be dishonest and inaccurate already. No point in pointing it out again.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 255 of 461 (890868)
01-11-2022 10:02 AM
Reply to: Message 248 by Porkncheese
01-11-2022 12:51 AM


Can you define communism?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 269 of 461 (890933)
01-12-2022 8:55 AM
Reply to: Message 266 by Porkncheese
01-12-2022 7:56 AM


More words you don't seem to understand
Any idea what comorbidity means? Any?
Hint it doesn't have anything to do with dying. Will you answer? If you do it will be more lies and out of context crap.

This is a prime example of idiots spreading lies because they have no idea what words mean.
The whole comorbidity argument does not support the anti-vax argument at all.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 272 of 461 (890937)
01-12-2022 9:19 AM
Reply to: Message 270 by Tangle
01-12-2022 9:01 AM


Another word covidiots don't understand
Immunity is a primary word they don't seem to understand.
I know words are hard. Covidiots and MAGAT's have trouble with the concept that one word may have multiple meanings. This ignorance has gotten many killed.

I always thought there should be a primer page here at EVC that links to or discusses logical fallacies.
Equivocation is this logical fallacy.

quote:
(also known as: doublespeak)

Description: Using an ambiguous term in more than one sense, thus making an argument misleading.

Logical Form:

Term X is used to mean Y in the premise.
Term X is used to mean Z in the conclusion.

Example #1:

I want to have myself a merry little Christmas, but I refuse to do as the song suggests and make the yuletide gay. I don't think sexual preference should have anything to do with enjoying the holiday.

Explanation: The word, “gay” is meant to be in light spirits, joyful, and merry, not in the homosexual sense.

Example #2:

The priest told me I should have faith.
I have faith that my son will do well in school this year.
Therefore, the priest should be happy with me.

Explanation: The term “faith” used by the priest, was in the religious sense of believing in God without sufficient evidence, which is different from having “faith” in your son in which years of good past performance leads to the “faith” you might have in your son.

Exception: Equivocation works great when deliberate attempts at humor are being made.

Tip: When you suspect equivocation, substitute the word with the same definition for all uses and see if it makes sense.



https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/...allacies/Equivocation

Here is what they think immunity means
lack of susceptibility, especially to something unwelcome or harmful.

Here is what it means in the context of disease and medicine.
the ability of an organism to resist a particular infection or toxin by the action of specific antibodies or sensitized white blood cells.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 274 of 461 (890939)
01-12-2022 9:32 AM


For porkie and drlove
Here is a link to a post I made long ago about logical fallacies. I suggest you print this poster and look at it before you post. There is also a good description of what is a scientific theory. am sure you need to learn about that too.
If you have any desire to be taken seriously(which I doubt you do) then you should consider eliminating fallacies and gaining a basic understanding of science and the scientific method. The site now also has a cognitive bias poster. You need that too.

Message 1


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


  
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Message 277 of 461 (890942)
01-12-2022 9:48 AM
Reply to: Message 275 by Porkncheese
01-12-2022 9:40 AM


My first post to porkie
Here is my first post.
Message 227
Where is the ad hominem?
Things based on fact or based upon you arguments are not ad hominems.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 279 of 461 (890945)
01-12-2022 10:10 AM


For those too lazy to download


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


  
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Message 282 of 461 (890949)
01-12-2022 10:27 AM
Reply to: Message 281 by Porkncheese
01-12-2022 10:21 AM


Lie
If it was true you would provide a source.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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