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Author Topic:   COVID vaccine works - we're saved!
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Message 301 of 461 (891042)
01-14-2022 8:58 AM
Reply to: Message 271 by Porkncheese
01-12-2022 9:10 AM


The image you provided just ignores what's been explained and repeats your ignorance. In the context of vaccines, immunity doesn't mean actual literal immunity. There's not a person on this Earth who is literally immune to any virus. All anyone can have is pre-existing resistance created through a prior infection or vaccination. This resistance is in the form of antibodies specific to that virus, and of B-cells that remember past infections and can produce fresh antibodies. Those whose immune system includes the proper antibodies and/or B-cells is in a much better position to fight off future infections and is much less likely to infect other people. Masks and avoiding indoor gatherings are also important.

What do you hope to accomplish by repeating false information over and over again?

--Percy


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Message 302 of 461 (891043)
01-14-2022 9:10 AM
Reply to: Message 280 by Porkncheese
01-12-2022 10:15 AM


Porkncheese writes:

FYI Australia claims to be 90% vaxed and its worse than ever. That refutes most of what you babbled on about

Do you have a special misinformation site you use, because you can't seem to get anything right. Australia is 80% one shot and 77% both shots. Even if it were 90% how would it refute "most of what you babbled on about," because it's not possible to know who "you" is or what they "babbled on about" because you didn't reply to anyone, quote anything, or even mention a name.

You were basically trying to justify the atrocities as normal just cos its law. A sicko without morals

Well now you're just throwing hand grenades into the discussion in an obvious attempt to distract attention from the fact that you've been unable to present any true or substantive arguments.

--Percy


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Message 303 of 461 (891044)
01-14-2022 9:15 AM
Reply to: Message 281 by Porkncheese
01-12-2022 10:21 AM


Porkncheese writes:

Again, the average age of covid deaths is not 85. This incorrect figure probably comes from the fact that approximately half of covid deaths are people 85 and over, but that's not how you calculate an average. The average age is probably fairly high, though, likely in the 70's somewhere.

This is also disturbing in the lack of concern for the infections low-risk people cause in higher risk age groups.

--Percy


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Message 304 of 461 (891045)
01-14-2022 9:17 AM
Reply to: Message 285 by Porkncheese
01-12-2022 10:32 AM


Porkncheese writes:

The acceptance of human sacrifice... So its ok if people die from the vax as long as its saving some others...

You're just throwing out random nonsense now while replying to no one in particular nor to anything anyone actually said.

--Percy


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Message 305 of 461 (891046)
01-14-2022 9:46 AM


Porkncheese Suspension Rescinded
Concerning the Porkncheese suspension, as I slowly caught up in this thread, reading and responding as Percy, I expected to eventually see a warning from a moderator, then see Porkncheese ignore or spurn the warning in spectacular fashion, and then see a one week suspension. But there was no warning from any moderator, just a suspension.

Moderator guidelines strongly advise moderators to warn before acting. Because that didn't happen in this case I am rescinding Porkncheese's suspension.

Porkncheese, this is your warning. Please discuss the topic constructively, which includes making a sincere effort to support your position with factual information. Those sincerely interested in constructive discussion have little difficulty figuring out how to do it. There will be no babysitting from moderators.

As I am a participant I will not be moderating this thread. I am just stepping in in this one instance to correct our failure to follow our own moderator guidelines.

AbE: I found the warning in the Belief Versus The Scientific Method thread at Message 416, but it was not specific to any individual, and Porkncheese never posted in that thread after the warning, so I am still rescinding the suspension.

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Percy
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Message 306 of 461 (891069)
01-15-2022 1:32 PM


Vaccination Advisable Where Pregnancy Involved
A study based in Scotland and released this week by Nature Medicine found that:

  • Unvaccinated pregnant women are more likely to become hospitalized for covid-19.

  • Their babies are more likely to die within a month of birth.

During the period studied, December 2020 until October 2021:

  • 77% of infected pregnant women were unvaccinated, more than three times more likely.

  • 90% of infected pregnant women who required hospitalization or critical care were unvaccinated, nine times more likely.

Sources:


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Message 307 of 461 (891070)
01-15-2022 1:47 PM
Reply to: Message 306 by Percy
01-15-2022 1:32 PM


Re: Vaccination Advisable Where Pregnancy Involved
So don't get jabbed without the jab. Good advice.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 308 of 461 (891321)
01-25-2022 8:25 AM


New Omicron Variant
There's a new omicron variant called BA.2. The original omicron variant is called BA.1. Initial indications are that BA.2 is about 120% more transmissible than BA.1. This is a much smaller increase than that of BA.1 over the delta variant, which was 500%. There is as yet no indication that it increases hospitalizations or is more vaccine resistant, but it is very early days in collecting data. It has spread significantly in the UK and Denmark, and there are already cases in the US. (Omicron BA.2 Variant May Be Extra Transmissible)

--Percy


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Message 309 of 461 (891322)
01-25-2022 9:47 AM
Reply to: Message 308 by Percy
01-25-2022 8:25 AM


Re: New Omicron Variant
And there are two new SARS-COV-2 "Variants of Interest" that have advanced enough to get greek letters. Lambda and Mu. The fat lady has not yet sung.

Tracking SARS-CoV-2 variants

It's evolving but it's still a virus ;-)


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Message 310 of 461 (891323)
01-25-2022 11:38 AM
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01-25-2022 9:47 AM


Re: New Omicron Variant
I saw on the news this morning that N95 masks are going to be available free from pharmacies across the U.S.

Here's how to get free N95 masks from pharmacies or community health centers

The story also mentioned that the masks have an electrostatic charge that makes them 10x more effective at filtering out particles.

My wife and I have been using N95 masks since they became generally available from Amazon, but staying away from other people has probably been the most effective strategy, along with full vaccination.

My wife has also perfected shopping online with curbside pick up for all our groceries. She has a spreadsheet, so she knows how much we have of everything and online price comparisons are a lot less time consuming than in-store shopping. She says she never wants to go back to pre-pandemic shopping.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Message 311 of 461 (891324)
01-25-2022 11:54 AM
Reply to: Message 310 by Tanypteryx
01-25-2022 11:38 AM


N95 masks
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What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 312 of 461 (891325)
01-25-2022 11:58 AM
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01-25-2022 11:38 AM


Re: New Omicron Variant
I bought a supply of N95 and KN95 masks fairly early on and still have quite a few.

But I have not gone into a store in over two years now and have little or no incentive to do so in the foreseeable future.


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Message 313 of 461 (891326)
01-25-2022 12:14 PM
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01-25-2022 11:54 AM


Re: N95 masks
She anticipates it may be months before smaller health centers like hers get the N95 masks to distribute. She is hopeful but realistic.

Yeah, supply chains really have broken down in a lot of different ways during the pandemic. It has certainly exposed the deficiency of manufacturing of critical strategic supplies in the U.S. also.

Prices on lots of products have skyrocketed too. I use a lot of AA batteries in the electronic flashes in my imaging system. Energizer Ultimate Lithiums last about 4 times longer than alkalines but they are more expensive. The last batch of 100 that I ordered were $2.09 each, about 3x more than they were before the pandemic and take 2-3 weeks for delivery.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 314 of 461 (891327)
01-25-2022 12:22 PM
Reply to: Message 312 by jar
01-25-2022 11:58 AM


Re: New Omicron Variant
But I have not gone into a store in over two years now and have little or no incentive to do so in the foreseeable future.

Yep we are feeling the same.

I did go into stores during the cross country trip at the end of August, but it was limited and fast for essential supplies. And we camped the whole way too.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 315 of 461 (891421)
01-29-2022 8:20 PM


Washington State trooper who refused to get vaccinated dies of COVID-19
Washington State trooper who refused to get vaccinated dies of COVID-19

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Former Washington State Trooper Robert LaMay, who went viral when he chose to quit rather than get vaccinated against coronavirus, has died of COVID-19. He was 50 years old.

LaMay joined the Washington State Patrol in May 1999 but was forced to retire in October after refusing to get vaccinated against COVID-19. His final radio call, in which he told off Governor Jay Inslee, went viral online.

“Wish I could say more but this is it, so, State 1034, this is the last time you’ll hear me in a State Patrol car, and Jay Inslee can kiss my ass,” LaMay said in his final radio call, after which he dropped the radio, according to an online video.

The video was viewed millions of times and LaMay appeared on multiple TV shows, including on Fox News, where he said he and his family “don’t do vaccines.” His Facebook page was deleted last week when he fell ill with COVID-19 and was put on a ventilator.

LaMay’s condition continued to deteriorate and he died on Friday.


It's difficult to see this as anything but his own fault. To Serve and Protect the Public was clearly not his motto.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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