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Author Topic:   Could Trump Instigate A New Civil War?
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Message 9 of 90 (890986)
01-13-2022 9:24 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by Phat
01-13-2022 2:36 AM


Re: Are States Rights A Smokescreen?
How did you go from potential to civil war to rail against reparations?

They want to essentially lock our private earnings in with a national agenda.

WTF?
Who are the mysterious 'they"? What does this statement even mean?
Sounds like you are just trying to find a way to pigeonhole RWNJ(Right Wing Nut Job) talking points into a topic.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 17 of 90 (890997)
01-13-2022 11:10 AM
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01-13-2022 9:51 AM


Re: Are States Rights A Smokescreen?
In what crazy universe is this
Phat writes:

It has been suggested that a new digital currency like FedCoin would be easily traceable and taxable.

an answer to this?

quote:
Phat writes:

How did you go from potential to civil war to rail against reparations? They want to essentially lock our private earnings in with a national agenda.


WTF?
Who are the mysterious 'they"? What does this statement even mean?
Sounds like you are just trying to find a way to pigeonhole RWNJ(Right Wing Nut Job) talking points into a topic.

Who are they?
And we get another RWNJ talking point and conspiracy theory. I guess it is nice to see something never change. In the few years I was gone Phat still has not learned that the wealthy right-wingers do not give a rat's ass for people like him, but he will fall for their bullshit every time.

Answer the question or admit you just want to post bullshit conspiracy theories and shut down this thread.

You retired yet? You have always been on the margins economically and you are worried about the wealthy payng more taxes. Brilliant.


What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 21 of 90 (891015)
01-13-2022 2:06 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by AZPaul3
01-13-2022 1:57 PM


Re: Sedition Charges
I think we now know why the charges took so long. The DOJ wanted to make sure every t was crossed and every I dotted. This is gonna hurt the MAGA movement. Now the DOJ starts picking them apart and getting them to turn on each other and give al the info they have.
Link to the indictment.
https://www.justice.gov/...ess-release/file/1462346/download

Edited by Theodoric, : clarify


What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 24 of 90 (891029)
01-13-2022 6:29 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by jar
01-13-2022 5:34 PM


Re: Remember history or relive it.
This is just an aphorism. What happened then has no effect on today.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 26 of 90 (891052)
01-14-2022 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by jar
01-14-2022 11:38 AM


Re: History yet again, damnit!
Agreed, but there was also a time when a cop never went to prison for killing a black man. Or when a couple of good old boys could lynch a black man for being in the wrong neighborhood without being charged.
Times change.
One of the problems with the trite saying from George Santayana is that it has no acknowledgment that societies change. Evidence of things in the past is not evidence of what will happen in the future. If we are going to believe that, we should just give up and save our energy.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 27 of 90 (891054)
01-14-2022 12:35 PM


Good article on this subject
Ignoring all of Phat's RWNJ talking points that have no bearing on the topic, Here is an article that discusses the possibility of a Civil War in the USA.
Civil war in the US is unlikely because grievance doesn’t necessarily translate directly into violence

The author, a professor of political science with a PhD, makes a couple strong points.
First, grievance does not automatically translate into violence. There are lots of countries with more political instability in the world, yet there are only 8 civil wars in the world today.
Second, the risks of joining a rebellion are extremely high. Very few people are going to take that risk.
Finally, there will be violence. Violence will escalate. Domestic violence is and will be on the rise, but that does not indicate more chance of a civil war.


What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 33 of 90 (891141)
01-19-2022 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by Phat
01-19-2022 11:13 AM


Do you know anything about Malcolm X?
I need to jump on this too.
Martin Luther King was a social justice warrior who understood this. Malcolm X was not.

What the F, do you know about Malcolm X? In what way was he not a social justice warrior? Because he was a follower of Islam?
You have fallen for the same lies of the RWNJ's that you always fall for. Malcolm X was not anti-white.
Maybe you should read his words before you attack him.

quote:
“There were tens of thousands of pilgrims, from all over the world. They were of all colors, from blue-eyed blonds to black-skinned Africans. But we were all participating in the same ritual, displaying a spirit of unity and brotherhood that my experiences in America had led me to believe never could exist between the white and non-white.”

Malcolm X's Letter From Hajj | Muslim Memo

Your white, christian privilege no longer astounds me. I expect it. But to attack someone's legacy out of ignorance should be beyond the pale even for you. If you want to claim he did not fight for social justice, bring the facts, bring the evidence. Because no matter how it feels in your heart, facts and evidence matter.


What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 50 of 90 (891171)
01-20-2022 8:38 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by Phat
01-20-2022 2:28 AM


Phat falls for the RWNJ talking points again
YOu have fallen for the rightwing, unchristian, pecking order view of society. You and the rest of the GQP rubes have fallen for, uncritically, the wingnut view that you only have worth if there is someone lower in the pecking order than you.
Meanwhile the ultra wealthy pay almost nothing in taxes.
Do you think these people want to be homeless? Why do you think many of them are homeless? I know what you think, you think it is because they are lazy and just want to get drunk or high.
F' you.
The vast majority have some sort of mental health issue. Unlike Fucker Carlson and his ilk, they cannot afford a treatment center. A lot of homeless are children too.
No, he is not right. He is a heartless asshole that just wants to keep taxes lower for himself and his handlers. In the end, all his plan does is shuffle them off somewhere else. Make them someone else's issue to deal with. Unless we go to the next logical level. Imprison them? That will cost magnitudes more. Kill them? That is seemingly his hope. Not by the state, but it seems he would be ok with some vigilanteism toward the homeless.

Fucker Carlson is an amoral, vile human POS. It should amaze me that a self-described "good Christian", like yourself, would espouse an idea that is such an anathema to the teachings of your supposed god and leader. It doesn't. Par for the course for you and the amoral fundie movement.


What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 53 of 90 (891193)
01-21-2022 9:28 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by Phat
01-21-2022 9:01 AM


Re: Phat falls for the RWNJ talking points again
I merely presented the video
You are such a liar. The good old "I am just asking questions". I told you what was wrong with what he had to say. At least acknowledge it. When you post shit you will get shit in response.

I am not a pawn to right-wing talking points.

Yeah, you are. If you aren't quit posting them.
The real question is why your side hates it even when they are presented.

Why do you use such loaded, deceitful words? There is no hate. There is bullshit and there is reason. RWNJ's use and post bullshit. My side? What does that mean? Progressives? We use reason and evidence(something you seem to not care about as much as your gut).
You seem to think we should just accept these talking points from the right with no response, no questioning, no looking at facts and data. You truly are a simple man.

Liberals are no smarter than conservatives.

Seemingly, we are. Thanks for the data to come to that reasoned conclusion.

You really need to stop being so extremist

Wanted to not make people suffer and not wanting to shame them is extremist?
Way to show off those Christian virtues again. You truly have no shame, do you?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 54 of 90 (891194)
01-21-2022 9:34 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by Phat
01-21-2022 9:05 AM


Re: spending on homeless
You do know how taxes work and how social investments reap rewards for society don't you?
No, all you know are the lies that social spending causes your taxes to go up.
Willful ignorance is not pretty Phat.

Spending money on the homeless is a net social and financial gain. Shaming the homeless and treating them like lesser people is a loser. Austerity hurts us all.
If you want to present actual evidence to counter this go for it. Tucker does not qualify as a source.

What Montefiore's 300% ROI from social determinants investments means for the future of other hospitals

Can Homelessness Programs Make Money -- and Should They?


What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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