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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Then, in 1887, Michelson and Morley obtained a negative, or "null" result for the existence of an ether.. Then, gradually over several decades, a combination of Einsteinian relativity and "ether-less" quantum-order systems became the consensus model of physics.
But you have shown nothing to show that they are related. You merely asserted.What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Your ignorance of the scientific method pretty much makes any point you try to make moot. Actual scientists don't try to prove, they try to disprove. They look for ways that their hypothesis fails.
Are you really an MD or does that stand for something else? I know a lot of docs. I sleep with one every night. Some of them are narcissistic assholes, but I know of none that would have the audacity to try to attack quantum physics. They know their lane. I am always amazed with laymen that have the hubris to think what they thought of while taking a shit undermines contemporary accepted scientific models, theories and explanation. You think you have developed an explanation that overturns over 100 years of science. WOW!!What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Michael MD Member (Idle past 548 days) Posts: 108 Joined: |
My position on the unavoidable impossibility of applying mathematics to the undetectable nature of the kind of ether in my Model, is that the weight of other types of evidence, plus logic, could still make a credible model to counter the current models of physics.
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Michael MD Member (Idle past 548 days) Posts: 108 Joined: |
Theodoric,
Besides being a medical doctor, I have a bachelor degree as a major in chemistry, a tough major course in one of the physical sciences. I received a membership in the American Chemical Society at that time. If you took the time to look back through earlier posts in this Thread, you would have seen that I don't claim this Ether Model came only out of my own head. The basic ideas for the Model were obtained through codebreaking, of sets of codes, putatively enciphered by otherworldly sources.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8552 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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... the weight of other types of evidence, plus logic, could still make a credible model to counter the current models of physics. So says your wishful thinking. Part of your fantasy. The only kind of evidence, logic, credible model in physics is the math. Without the math, Michael MD, you have nothing to offer. Your aether is being ignored.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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nwr Member Posts: 6411 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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My position on the unavoidable impossibility of applying mathematics to the undetectable nature of the kind of ether in my Model, is that the weight of other types of evidence, plus logic, could still make a credible model to counter the current models of physics.
You are even admitting that your "ether" is undectable. What you are doing is not science. It is imagination.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5949 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
My position on the unavoidable impossibility of applying mathematics to the undetectable nature of the kind of ether in my Model, ... Time to repost this Carl Sagan quote:
quote: Without evidence and without the ability to test your hypotheses with attempts to disprove it (as we have repeatedly tried to explain to you), you have nothing but a fanciful idea. Just accept it as a fanciful idea and leave it at that enjoying it for all it could ever hope to be -- I do that with many "explanations" for how the slot in West Coast Swing originated which are great stories but very unlikely to be true (my personal favorite is the one about drunken sailors on liberty).
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5949 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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The basic ideas for the Model were obtained through codebreaking, of sets of codes, putatively enciphered by otherworldly sources. [DWise1: my emphasis added] OK, so ancient alien astronauts. Say no more, say no more (nudge, nudge, wink, wink). Are you also into Bible codes? That is yet another "field" in which codebreaking and pattern searching are used to find secret prophetic messages in the Hebrew text of the Torah. Interestingly, it also works on translations into Hebrew of such works as Moby Dick and War and Peace.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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So all you have is a wild ass idea, numerology(or something like it), the supernatural, and woo. Not science,
The vast majority of M.D.'s have a B.A. in a science subject. I do know one with a B.A. in Music and another with a B.A. in History. My wife's is in Biology. It does not make her an expert in Biology.Membership in the ACS is nothing special, just about anyone can join. You don't even need to have a degree In Chemistry. Not sure why you thought this was some sort of special honor that you should mention. I have a B.A. in History and have been a member of a couple national historical societies. None of this makes me an expert and I certainly would not present those memberships as some sort of honor. Maybe you can get away with spouting this bullshit around your family and friends and other websites. Not here. We demand actual evidence. Through the years we have seen many, many purveyors of woo here. Compared to many of them you are a sophomoric piker. You have next to nothing and what you do have is not science. What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Percy Member Posts: 22492 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Michael MD writes: Besides being a medical doctor, I have a bachelor degree as a major in chemistry, a tough major course in one of the physical sciences. I received a membership in the American Chemical Society at that time. This is just as much fantasy as your ether claims. What you've written in this thread says "delusional," not "medical doctor" or even "college graduate." You've said very little true or rational since you've been here. --Percy
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Michael MD writes:
Y'know, codebreaking is also done via the scientific method. Decoded messages have to be compared with reality to determine whether or not the decoding worked. The basic ideas for the Model were obtained through codebreaking, of sets of codes, putatively enciphered by otherworldly sources."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
I find it kind of curious that he highlighted his membership in ACS rather than any specialty training or certification he has.
This is a huge red flag that makes me highly doubt his claims of being an MD. The first thing an MD usually will tell you when you ask about their credentials is their specialty. GP's without a specialty basically do not exist anymore in the USA. No one will higher you and insurers will not credential you if you do not have a specialty. Those family practice doc's at the local clinic? They are specialists. Their specialty is either Family Practice Medicine or Internal Medicine. They went through a 3-year residency to learn the skills they need to practice medicine. I have to call bullshit on Michael. What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Michael MD Member (Idle past 548 days) Posts: 108 Joined: |
During the Viet Nam period, I was an MD in the Army. I returned to residency on being discharged, but I had lost my academic motivation toward being a medical specialist, quit hospital training and entered General Practice. That was at a time before generalists needed to be board-credentialed to be well accepted.
The posts saying my Ether Model can't be tested have ignored my posts where I mention a possible field test that predicts effects of an ether (not directly demonstrating the ether, but, certain effects having been predicted, would be strong indirect evidence of its existence. As I've said, such a test would be expensive, and no sponsor has been found to get it done.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
This goes back to my question of why you think your MD and a BS in Chemistry somehow give you expertise.
All great that you are an MD and all that, but that is not relevant to most things on this forum, or life for that matter. What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Notice that the fool has NEVER outlined what "The possible field test that predicts effects of an ether (not directly demonstrating the ether, but, certain effects having been predicted, would be strong indirect evidence of its existence." might be or what any of the prediction were.
The man is simply too clueless to even create the most basic first steps needed. Pathetic!My Website: My Website
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