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Message 44 of 90 (891157)
01-19-2022 5:35 PM

Reply to: Message 42 by Phat
01-19-2022 5:01 PM

Re: Is Jesus Liberal or Conservative or...

Doom, Doom, we're all doomed!
Buy gold! Buy guns, dig that bunker. The end is nigh!

You've lost what you had of a mind Phat.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 69 of 90 (891253)
01-22-2022 4:06 PM

Reply to: Message 64 by Phat
01-22-2022 3:40 PM

Re: Is Jesus Liberal or Conservative or...

Phat writes:

I will answer your question if you answer mine.
What does it even mean to throw God away? What does it even mean to throw Jesus away?

Lots of us have explained this to you many, many times over many years. But you don't seem to be terribly interested in the answer. Why not?

Is there an answer from us that you'd prefer to accept?

There are clues in your question of course, "throw god away". It's not like that. It's just a realisation that it was all only a story told to children. Nothing gets "thrown away". When that realisation occurs, the story remains but it's become just another story.

We've many times said it's like Father Christmas - it really is. If you can remember what that was like, then you've got it.

Why is that so hard to accept?

Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 72 of 90 (891256)
01-22-2022 4:15 PM

Reply to: Message 70 by Phat
01-22-2022 4:09 PM

Re: Is Jesus Liberal or Conservative or...

Tangle writes:

because honestly I'm not feeling it.

What have you feelings got to do with it?

I'm telling you about my reality, not yours. You want to to understand things like "throwing god away" you need to listen to those of us that have done it. Otherwise you'll continue being clueless won't you?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 78 of 90 (891267)
01-23-2022 10:19 AM

Reply to: Message 77 by Percy
01-23-2022 9:42 AM

Re: Is Jesus Liberal or Conservative or...

Phat writes:

The "ability to examine things from another perspective" gene seems to be missing, as does the "we've discussed this before detector" gene. It's apparently common among the religious (especially the creationist religious), Trumpists, and discoverers that relativity is wrong.

It's very odd isn't it? When Phat says that he believes that he talks to God, or that Jesus is mankind's saviour or whatever, I have no difficulty accepting that that's what he believes.

I think it's dumb and delusional but I don't think he's lying to me. It seems that his brain is so thoroughly washed he just can't accept that it's possible not to believe what he believes, so he just dismisses it. So it just comes up again and again like it our explanations have never happened.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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