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Message 31 of 46 (890450)
01-05-2022 8:28 PM


Watching some reruns via our streaming service
Over the holidays my wife and I each searched for and found some old British series that we had enjoyed decades ago. A Touch of Frost was about a police detective and Lovejoy was about an antique dealer who is a bit of a scoundrel. We have been enjoying them both and it has been a long enough interval since we originally watched them that while everyone is familiar each episode also feels new.

I don't know if anyone at EvC has watched Farscape but it is my all time favorite science fiction series. I have found it on several channels and just noticed that the version on Comet has been reformatted for the wider screens.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 32 of 46 (890454)
01-06-2022 12:45 AM
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01-05-2022 8:28 PM


Re: Watching some reruns via our streaming service
Oddly enough, I was inspired to watch Farscape. It was interesting watching Crichton and the females attempt again and again to escape.

I had to see what intrigued you. It's all so science-fictiony. But it had a touch of humanity amidst the aliens.


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Message 33 of 46 (890455)
01-06-2022 1:26 AM
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01-06-2022 12:45 AM


Re: Watching some reruns via our streaming service
And it was a love story.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 34 of 46 (890459)
01-06-2022 2:14 AM
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Re: Watching some reruns via our streaming service
I had to see what intrigued you. It's all so science-fictiony. But it had a touch of humanity amidst the aliens.

That's the entire idea of science fiction. It allows us to step back and observe humanity more objectively.

Or didn't you realize that before?


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Message 35 of 46 (890506)
01-06-2022 11:15 PM
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Re: Watching some reruns via our streaming service
A big factor with Farscape was, not only was it my favorite but it was my daughter's favorite too! She and I like a lot of the same music, books, movies, and television, but Farscape touched the same thing in both of us.

No other science fiction series or movie has come up with a more clever solution to all the aliens being able to understand each other, translator microbes injected at birth by all advanced galactic species, that colonize the base of the brain, .obviously!


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 36 of 46 (890507)
01-07-2022 1:07 AM
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01-06-2022 11:15 PM


Re: Watching some reruns via our streaming service
No other science fiction series or movie has come up with a more clever solution to all the aliens being able to understand each other, translator microbes injected at birth by all advanced galactic species, that colonize the base of the brain, .obviously!

It's either that or stick a Babel fish in your ear. But communication past language barriers is a weak point in most sci-fi where they end up having to come up with some lame excuse to explain the problem away. Having to solve such problems each and every week only results in disasterous production schedule crashes.

Star Trek did have its universal translator, but that was ad hocked in the middle of the first season as alien tech ("Arena", where he fights the Gorn in San Dimas). The later excuse was that it was integrated into the comm systems (and comm badge) and so did its job transparently. One of the early novelizations even had them using a UT implant. Well, in The Making of Star Trek (1968) Gene Roddenberry did express the philosophy of just showing the technology being used and working instead of trying to explain it to the audience through an audience surrogate (everybody had been through Starfleet training as well as living with the basic tech all their lives, so ignorant dummies who had to have everything explained to them were a very rare bird indeed) -- though Sulu did once try to explain how a 20th century police side arm worked before being cut short.

Stargate SG-1 had the flimsiest excuse, which is that since Daniel Jackson is a brilliant linquist (perhaps even a cunning one) he would immediately figure out that planet's language. Doesn't work that way, though that was the approach taken properly in the original movie.

Should point out that Farscape's solution was used by Edgar Rice Burroughs in 1917 in A Princess of Mars. Upon arriving on Barsoom John Carter is captured by Green Martians who force him to drink something very disgusting, the same thing that they feed to their hatchlings to teach them language.

Having to learn a completely foreign language can work in a movie or miniseries as a very good dramatic and expositional device (eg, Dances With Wolves, Shogun), but it very quickly becomes unwieldy and a waste of broadcast time in an weekly TV show.

BTW, the only Lakota word that we ever learned was "tatanka" for bison -- both my ex-wife and I had started out as language majors, so we both listened carefully to the subtitled Lakota dialogue in that movie trying to find patterns. Years later, after going to see a movie, my friend and I would hold our debrief at BJ's Restaurant and Brewhouse. She liked their Russian stout, which they called "Tatanka". Then one evening I looked up at the posters on the wall for their brews, saw the bison on the Tatanka poster, and suddenly made the connection. Yeah, well duh! Made me feel like the Doctor who always berates himself for being so very slow witted.

 
One major lesson we (my ex-wife and me) learned from Star Trek, especially through TNG, was that California oak trees had spread out throughout the galaxy. Because every planet they went to which used location shooting had California oaks! Then one afternoon a Fourth Doctor episode of "Doctor Who" was on in which after materializing they wonder where they are, whereupon the Doctor picks up an acorn and announces that they are on Earth, the only place with oak trees! We refused to buy that, knowing from Star Trek that Californa oaks are everywhere.

Edited by dwise1, : Cleaning up in a few places


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Message 37 of 46 (890510)
01-07-2022 1:34 AM
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01-06-2022 12:45 AM


Re: Watching some reruns via our streaming service
It's all so science-fictiony. But it had a touch of humanity amidst the aliens.

Go back and rewatch Star Trek. The Original Series (TOS) even. They were addressing and working with ideas that could never be in presented in any regular TV show at that time, but which could sneak through under the guise of science fiction.

In an interview with Nichelle Nichols, she told about a realization she had while reading the latest script. She confronted Gene Roddenberry and said, "You're writing morality plays!" He immediately shushed her and asked her to not tell anybody else. Look at the many episodes of The Twilight Zone, morality plays every one of them. That is what science fiction is!

An additional note. In German, sci-fi is is often called "Zukunftsromane", "future novels." But another label has become, "Möglichkeitsromane", "possibility novels." Exploring various "what if" scenarios. And each and every one explores the question of "where will human nature lead us?"

 
A tag-line quote that I saved years ago: Those who fail to learn the lessons of science fiction are doomed to live them.


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Message 38 of 46 (890522)
01-07-2022 7:03 AM
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Re: Watching some reruns via our streaming service
But what about the anti-translator faction?

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Message 39 of 46 (890524)
01-07-2022 10:24 AM
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Re: Watching some reruns via our streaming service
But what about the anti-translator faction?

They end up going through life completely ignorant about everything.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 40 of 46 (890526)
01-07-2022 10:59 AM
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01-05-2022 8:28 PM


Re: Watching some reruns via our streaming service
Just a brief comment. They sound interesting and I'd like to give them a try, but I couldn't find any of them available for free on any streaming service I have, and I have Netflix, Amazon, Apple, Hulu, Disney, HBO and Paramount. I feel tapped out streaming-wise and am not willing to shell out more money. If anyone knows where any of them might be watched for free please let me know.

--Percy


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Message 41 of 46 (890528)
01-07-2022 11:06 AM
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Re: Watching some reruns via our streaming service
I found Farscape on Amazon Prime. And on Comet.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 42 of 46 (890536)
01-07-2022 2:44 PM
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01-07-2022 11:06 AM


Re: Watching some reruns via our streaming service
Yes, found it on Amazon, thanks. Weird it didn't show up the first time I looked, have no idea what I did wrong.

--Percy


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Message 43 of 46 (891185)
01-20-2022 11:03 PM


I just watched a fascinating Nova, Butterfly Blueprints PBS S48 E23. It featured a good friend of mine who I have coauthored papers with. Lots discussion about structural colors, a feature of some of the dragonflies I study. Analysis at the nanoscale is helping humans design some very clever materials.

ABE: I meant to post this in Coffee House Musing

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What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 44 of 46 (891187)
01-21-2022 7:51 AM
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01-20-2022 11:03 PM


I recorded that show for my watch list. I will be watching it today.

Which one is your friend? I'll be sure to pay extra attention.


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Message 45 of 46 (891188)
01-21-2022 8:00 AM
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Jessica Ware at the American Museum of Natural History.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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