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Author Topic:   Belief Versus The Scientific Method
Theodoric
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Message 387 of 513 (890778)
01-10-2022 3:34 PM
Reply to: Message 382 by drlove
01-10-2022 3:23 PM


Re: belief vs unbelief
I love your response.
Basically it is.
Well the link I gave you to prove my claim might not be accurate, but my claim is true because, well because.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 390 of 513 (890786)
01-10-2022 4:31 PM
Reply to: Message 389 by Porkncheese
01-10-2022 4:23 PM


Re: Science vs pseudoscience
Why would an epidemiologist or a virologist debate someone that is not an expert? Science is not a debate. It is evidence and acceptance of the evidence by the experts in the field.
Laymen can and should just fuck off.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 400 of 513 (890806)
01-10-2022 5:52 PM
Reply to: Message 391 by Porkncheese
01-10-2022 4:44 PM


Re: Science vs pseudoscience
Malone did not invent mRNA "tech"
Robert Malone: Vaccine Scientist, Vaccine Skeptic - The Atlantic
Yeadon was not pfizer chief or chief. He was a VP. Corporate VP's are a dime a dozen. He is a liar and notoriously wrong. He is a pharmacologist and notorious nutjob.
quote:
Yeadon falsely claimed that the COVID-19 pandemic in the United Kingdom was "effectively over" in October 2020,[17][18] that there would be no "second wave" of infections,[6][19] and that healthy people could not spread the SARS-CoV-2 virus.[1][20] He has claimed without evidence that COVID-19 vaccines were unnecessary,[21][20][19] unsafe,[1][22] and could cause infertility in women.[1][6][23] In a letter to the European Medicines Agency, Yeadon and the German physician Wolfgang Wodarg called for all vaccine trials to be stopped, falsely suggesting[24][25][26] that mRNA vaccines could target the syncytin-1 protein needed for placenta formation.[27][a] In an interview with political strategist Steve Bannon, Yeadon falsely asserted that children were "50 times more likely to be killed by the COVID vaccines than the virus itself", citing a high number of events following COVID-19 vaccination reported on the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) database.[31][32][3] The US Centers for Disease Control, which operates the database, cautions that such reports are not verified and do not prove that vaccines caused any given adverse event.[31][32] Yeadon has also discouraged COVID-19 lockdowns and the use of face masks despite evidence for their effectiveness.[22] He has alleged that the vaccines cause recipients to become magnetic.[14] Several of Yeadon's claims have been amplified on social media
Follow the links. If you dare.
McCollough. Have no idea how published he is but his fieledd is irrelevant. And he isn't the most published in his field. He is a cardiologist. Not an expert in viruses or vaccines. Baylor University sued him to stop saying he was associated with them. They won.
Zelenko. Is a family practice doc, so is my wife. He made wild ass claims that he did not provide any evidence for. Not an expert and seems to have been lying as he can not provide any data to support his claims. He is fleecing the rubes.
Fact Check: Zelenko 'Vaccine Death Report' Does NOT Show Credible Data -- It Rehashes Disproven COVID Vaccine Claims | Lead Stories
Gold? Really? Simone fucking Gold? Emergency room doc. Not an expert. She is a liar and a grifter fleecing the rubes and an insurrectionist.
This is the best you have. You are going to stake your life on liars, grifters athe obviously mentally ill? Wow!
Do you think the scientists that worked on the Webb Telescope should have debated laymen and people out of their field about deploying the telescope?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 401 of 513 (890810)
01-10-2022 5:55 PM
Reply to: Message 398 by Porkncheese
01-10-2022 5:19 PM


Re: Covid-19 death rate between vaccinated vs un-vaccinated by nation.
Do you even know what VAERS, EMA and MHRA are?
This is not a source. This is a meme that claims it is sourced. Find the actual data and you might have something.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 403 of 513 (890818)
01-10-2022 6:18 PM
Reply to: Message 399 by Porkncheese
01-10-2022 5:31 PM


Re: Science vs pseudoscience
Its unscientific and one of Karl Poppers red flags of pseudoscience and its shutting down free speech, a foundation of western democracy
Source?
Or did you just hear this somewhere?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 409 of 513 (890840)
01-10-2022 11:09 PM
Reply to: Message 407 by drlove
01-10-2022 8:50 PM


Re: Science vs pseudoscience
Did you even read the article you linked to? Nice taking the quote you posted out of context. This article clearly exposes them as political hacks and trying make a buck.
You suck at this.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 411 of 513 (890867)
01-11-2022 9:57 AM
Reply to: Message 410 by drlove
01-11-2022 1:09 AM


Re: Science vs pseudoscience
As always quotes out of context and a source that is a known partisan source.
You might want to read what he actually said.
We have known for months that immunity lagged with omicron. This is not news. Would you rather people be dead than mildly infected? Why the death wish?
The two doses, they’re not enough for omicron,” Bourla said. “The third dose of the current vaccine is providing quite good protection against deaths, and decent protection against hospitalizations.
https://www.cnbc.com/...-doses-arent-enough-for-omicron.html

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 413 of 513 (890907)
01-11-2022 3:21 PM
Reply to: Message 412 by drlove
01-11-2022 2:45 PM


You love making up quotes
'vaccine is the answer and forget everything else'
No one said this. Ever.
Done with you. You should go troll elsewhere

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 417 of 513 (890960)
01-12-2022 4:56 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Phat
03-25-2021 8:52 PM


Re: Forcing My Hand Towards Science
Since I have been away for a while, I guess I feel a need to jab Phat a little like in the good old days.
If there is no objective evidence then it does not exist. It is sorely in the realm of belief and everyone's personal beliefs or simply that. Their own personal beliefs. Those beliefs have no impact on others unless it is forced on them. No one can come to the same personal beliefs as you without input from you.
That is why science and the scientific method hold supremacy over belief. By using the scientific method multiple people can come to the same conclusion based upon the evidence without influencing each other.
If belief was something other than a personal thing(bad burrito) then people would independently arrive at the same conclusions. We wdo not see that.
Edited by Theodoric, : bad spalling

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 425 of 513 (890975)
01-13-2022 12:01 AM
Reply to: Message 422 by DrJones*
01-12-2022 9:08 PM


Re: Forcing My Hand Towards Science
Sorry DrJones*
Edited by Theodoric, : replied to wrong fake doctor

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 427 of 513 (890977)
01-13-2022 12:14 AM
Reply to: Message 423 by drlove
01-12-2022 10:17 PM


Re: making it up as they go along
You do realize that mRNA vaccines have been tested for years. MRNA vaccines were first tested on humans in 2013 vaccine. The Salk Polio vaccine was developed in 1952 and was widely used in 1955. The Sabin Polio vaccine was developed in 1957 and widely used starting in 1957.
There is nothing magic about time. The reason many vaccines take years to be authorized is that there is no pandemic. Study groups are small. THe COVID vaccines are the most tested and studied vaccines in history. Probably the safest too.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 447 of 513 (891047)
01-14-2022 10:50 AM
Reply to: Message 443 by drlove
01-14-2022 1:28 AM


It is not based on science. Enough said.
quote:
The Great Barrington Declaration was sponsored by the American Institute for Economic Research, a libertarian free market think tank associated with climate change denial.
Reporting on the declaration, Byline Times journalist Nafeez Ahmed has described the AIER as a "institution embedded in a Koch-funded network that denies climate science while investing in polluting fossil fuel industries".[13] Byline Times has reported that the organisation operates an investment fund with $284 million under management, and has invested its assets in several fossil fuel companies, including Chevron and ExxonMobil, tobacco giant Philip Morris International, Microsoft, Alphabet Inc. and many other companies.[13][14] Its 2018 revenues were in excess of US$2.2 million[33] and included a US$68,100 donation from the Charles Koch Foundation.[13][34] AIER's network of local "Bastiat Society" chapters partners with the Atlas Network, Ayn Rand Institute, Cato Institute, the Charles Koch Institute, and other Koch-funded think tanks.[14] Controversial research funded by AIER in the past includes a study asserting that sweatshops supplying multinationals are beneficial for those working in them,[35][36] and AIER's statements and publications consistently downplay the risks of climate change, with titles such as "The Real Reason Nobody Takes Environmental Activists Seriously" and "Brazilians Should Keep Slashing Their Rainforest".[13][33]
Great Barrington Declaration - Wikipedia
How much more shit do you have to throw against the wall? Your Gish Gallop is not working

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 452 of 513 (891065)
01-14-2022 11:49 PM
Reply to: Message 451 by drlove
01-14-2022 9:38 PM


Peek Godwin
Well, I never lower myself to discuss things with anyone that pulls a Godwin. So goodbye, good riddance.
Nazi analogies - RationalWiki

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 485 of 513 (891338)
01-25-2022 8:41 PM
Reply to: Message 484 by AZPaul3
01-25-2022 7:56 PM


Re: Any Redeeming Value?
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut occasionally.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 509 of 513 (891377)
01-27-2022 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 495 by drlove
01-26-2022 6:44 PM


Sorry for feeding the troll
After your latest bat shit crazy YEC post, I have to ask a couple of questions. If you truly were ever an M.D., when and where were you last licensed?
How, as an M.D., would you explain something like antibiotic-resistant infections?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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