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nwr
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Message 46 of 1197 (891430)
01-30-2022 7:13 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by MrIntelligentDesign
01-30-2022 6:20 PM


Re: How to tell?
Well, before I answer, how EVOLUTION answer that question?
If you want a discussion, you must be willing to discuss.
Stop the bullshit. Stop the evasion.
Or perhaps we should conclude that you have nothing.

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Message 47 of 1197 (891431)
01-30-2022 7:29 PM
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01-30-2022 6:20 PM


Re: How to tell?
Well, before I answer, how EVOLUTION answer that question? You know, EVOLUTION is famous ...
Evolution does not ask such questions. It makes organisms. It hasn't the capacity to care if such and such is a rock or a cell.
And, yes, evolution is quite famous. It’s been in all the schools for the last 100 years or so. I don’t think I need to teach evolution to you. Either you have studied it in depth in preparation for your writing or you don’t know what you’re trying to fight and have no intellectual challenge worth our time.
I prefer to believe the former, so consider evolution explained, at least provisionally, as outlined in Wiki – Evolution.
Your task, as you seem to define it, is to defeat the edifice of evolution with your thoughts on god, ID specifically.
So, again, MrID, how do YOU tell a natural object from a manufactured one? What criteria do you use?
Edited by AZPaul3, : link

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Message 48 of 1197 (891432)
01-30-2022 7:33 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by AZPaul3
01-29-2022 1:47 PM


Re: How to tell?
So, again, MrID, how do YOU tell a natural object from a manufactured one? What criteria do you use?
Hands AZ ten bucks, you win!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 49 of 1197 (891433)
01-30-2022 7:44 PM
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01-30-2022 7:33 PM


Re: How to tell?
I don't remember the bet but the next round is on me.
[ ]? [ ]?

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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MrIntelligentDesign
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Message 50 of 1197 (891434)
01-30-2022 7:50 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by nwr
01-30-2022 7:13 PM


Re: How to tell?
So, in another words, you are discussing science with me with NO science from EVOLUTION?? Evolution is a reigning theory, as you claim, why cant you answer that FIRST...and compare with me?
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Message 51 of 1197 (891435)
01-30-2022 7:53 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by AZPaul3
01-30-2022 7:44 PM


Re: How to tell?
Well, you said he would deflect and I said, "Naw, he's not that stupid!" but you were right. "Oh, look there's a squirrel!". would have been less obvious.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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MrIntelligentDesign
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Message 52 of 1197 (891436)
01-30-2022 7:54 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by AZPaul3
01-30-2022 7:29 PM


Re: How to tell?
You claimed that EVOLUTION makes organisms, that is origin topic, then, let us apply that in your scenario, manufactured and not-manufactured. You cannot simply evade that question that you had posted. Evolution claims that it has explanation in origin, then, let us do it, and compare to my discovery. You do first. I had already answered that in my original pots, if you read it...
But I can give you more but since you think that I am stupid and Evolution is correct, then, let us hear Evolution explanation first...
YOU WILL DENOUNCE Evolution and you will support me if you cannot answer your own post, and I will give you how the new ID could answer that simple categorization of two extremes - for origin topic, AGREE? .. ohhh, if you read my original OP, you had already answered that...
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AZPaul3
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Message 53 of 1197 (891438)
01-30-2022 8:24 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by MrIntelligentDesign
01-30-2022 7:54 PM


Re: How to tell?
Evolution claims that it has explanation in origin, then, let us do it, and compare to my discovery. You do first.
OK. Evolution does not address abiogenesis.
That’s it. Your turn.
So, again, MrID, how do YOU tell a natural object from a manufactured one? What criteria do you use?
I had already answered that in my original pots, if you read it...
No you haven’t. Your OP was a bunch of nonsense questions and a couple self-written, self-serving, non-science write-ups.
YOU WILL DENOUNCE Evolution and you will support me if you cannot answer your own post
I believe you as much as I believe your god.
So, again, MrID, how do YOU tell a natural object from a manufactured one? What criteria do you use?
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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nwr
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Message 54 of 1197 (891439)
01-30-2022 8:37 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by MrIntelligentDesign
01-30-2022 7:50 PM


Re: How to tell?
So, in another words, you are discussing science with me with NO science from EVOLUTION??
More evasion. Another failure to discuss.
Evolution is a reigning theory, as you claim, why cant you answer that FIRST
"EVOLUTION" is just a word. The theory of evolution is about biological evolution. It deals with biology. It does not deal with manufacturing.
Stop evading. Stop the bullshit.
Thus far you have given us a name "New Intelligent Design". But you have not said anything about what it is.
My default assumption is that you only have a name and nothing else. Prove me wrong!

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Message 55 of 1197 (891440)
01-30-2022 8:40 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by AZPaul3
01-30-2022 8:24 PM


Re: How to tell?
Hey, do not evade. Evolution talks about ORIGIN of SPECIES. It is an origin and your OP is origin of manufactured to non-manufactured (probably, biological cell or species). So, do not evade.
YOU WILL DENOUNCE Evolution and support me, if you cannot answer that, AGREE?? Because what? We will never meet. Either you are wrong or me... I support you or you support me, AGREE?

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Message 56 of 1197 (891441)
01-30-2022 8:43 PM
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01-30-2022 8:37 PM


Re: How to tell?
Evolution claims that it has an impact and effect in all fields in science, so, either you will support me and denounce Evolution or I will support you and Evolution. You must join forces with them to solve the problem of origin: manufactured to non-manufactured, from the eyeglass of Evolution.
I will do it (I already did actually) from the glass of new ID..
Support or Denounce...Evolution...

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nwr
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Message 57 of 1197 (891442)
01-30-2022 8:50 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by MrIntelligentDesign
01-30-2022 8:43 PM


Re: How to tell?
Thank you for confirming that you have nothing.
You have a name "New Intelligent Design", but you have no actual content to which that name applies. You have demonstrated that you are unwilling to actually discuss anything beyond the name.

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Message 58 of 1197 (891443)
01-30-2022 9:11 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by MrIntelligentDesign
01-30-2022 8:40 PM


Re: How to tell?
Evolution talks about ORIGIN of SPECIES.
Oh. That origin. You should be clearer. You've been using them interchangeably and sometimes it's hard to tell.
Are you denying evolution explains the origin of species for which there are entire libraries and museums and universities full of evidence?
Do you have an equal quality and quantity of evidence to dispute this?
Of course you think so but you seem unable to explain what, how, when.
AGREE??
Child.
Back to the topic.
So, again, MrID, how do YOU tell a natural object from a manufactured one? What criteria do you use?

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 59 of 1197 (891444)
01-30-2022 9:12 PM
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01-30-2022 8:50 PM


Re: How to tell?
I discussed already in my OP in the link. Now, since you do not support me, then, let us solve the problem between manufactured to non-manufactured. If I cannot explain, I support Evolution and you. I you cannot, you support me, AGREE?

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Message 60 of 1197 (891445)
01-30-2022 9:13 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by MrIntelligentDesign
01-30-2022 7:54 PM


Re: How to tell?
Well Mr ID, you are the one popping in here claiming to have some brilliant new ID, but when repeatedly asked to describe it you deflect with gibberish about evolution.
You came here to convince us, we are not trying to convince you.
You see, your problem is, Mate, you obviously do not know even the most basic things about the Theory of Biological Evolution, or the basics of biology, or the most fundamental aspects of science.
Everything you write makes it obvious you do not have some evolution shattering theory, or even an hypothesis, or even a wild assed fucking guess! You will never convince anyone but the feeble minded.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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