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ringo
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From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 496 of 895 (891739)
02-10-2022 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 485 by Phat
02-09-2022 6:31 PM


Re: Prayer For The Universe
Phat writes:
How is it you can so confidently dismiss a Creator of all seen and unseen and fall for worshipping a bunch of stars, black holes, galaxies, other universes and more random matter and molten goo...
quote:
"We are stardust, we are golden."
-- Joni Mitchell
Phat writes:
... that you don't have to be accountable to?
Stop it. The only one who is trying to avoid accountability is you. Your made-up "Jesus" is supposed to "save" you from accountability.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 497 of 895 (891741)
02-10-2022 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 489 by AZPaul3
02-09-2022 7:46 PM


Re: Prayer For The Universe
AZPaul3 writes:
Just because in my old dodderage and depression I talk to things?
I demand my inalienable old-guy right to yell at the TV.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Phat
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Posts: 18389
From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 498 of 895 (891899)
02-16-2022 7:55 PM
Reply to: Message 496 by ringo
02-10-2022 11:42 AM


Re: Prayer For The Universe
ringo writes:
The only one who is trying to avoid accountability is you. Your made-up "Jesus" is supposed to "save" you from accountability.
It's time we put this distortion to rest once and for all.
First off, I will admit to making Jesus out to be as fair and nice of a chap as my own father. My father by and large went easy on me in my formative years. It is largely true that people who believe in God as a "fathering figure" will base their imagination and interpretation of such Deity modeled on their own father figures..both actual and additional in their earlier life.
Next, I realize that scripture says what it says. I disagree with you that Jesus expected everyone to literally give everything up. If anything, he went hard on the rich young ruler because money and wealth is what was holding him back.
Had Jesus wanted everyone whom He encountered to surrender all of their worldly goods, he would have commanded Mary and Martha to leave their house. He would have emphasized the message more literally to all people. Granted, we *are* alol told to surrender our mind, will, and emotions to Jesus at the moment of the salvation experience, and many have reported of dramatically changed attitudes and lives after so doing. It also bothers me why you seem to think you can get off the hook simply by being an unbeliever. Jesus exists whether you believe in Him or not. Evidence in and of itself does not determine reality. Things are often not as they seem.
We can argue until the Holy Cows of India come home. The fact remains, however, that I have no more than I can and need to use in life, and I am slowly becoming more generous and aware of when I am NOT generous. If I make up Jesus, so does everyone else who claims to be a believer.
And again, for those who choose not to believe, how is it you can so confidently dismiss a Creator of all seen and unseen? You seem to think that the origin of all reality comes from humans.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 499 of 895 (891902)
02-16-2022 8:08 PM
Reply to: Message 494 by Theodoric
02-10-2022 9:55 AM


Re: Prayer For The Universe
Theodoric writes:
It's just a book.
Not even a coherent and planned book, but rather a random collection of ancient writings followed by a random collection of classical writings.
So if you throw away the book, what God would you have? I take it you obviously believe none of the religious dogma is real. Were you to pretend to be a believer, what type of God would you imagine that was/is superior to the Lord Jesus Christ/
Does He give away free toasters with every heavenly account?

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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AZPaul3
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Posts: 8593
From: Phoenix
Joined: 11-06-2006
Member Rating: 3.0


Message 500 of 895 (891906)
02-16-2022 9:53 PM
Reply to: Message 490 by Phat
02-10-2022 1:47 AM


Re: Prayer For The Universe
For you to gush praise at the universe (a physical entity, mind you...
Gush praise? Where in my monologue do you see praise ... for anything? And what you consider gush might be interpreted as simple acknowledgement, as in giving notice to the universe's grandeur and its absolute rule over all things.
Is that pantheist? From recent posts with Son Goku my beliefs are many world-ish which means more than one universe, in fact an infinity of universes. So I suppose pantheist might apply. There certainly are enough to qualify. And, yeah, I don't want to start any kind of schism so just consider my prayer to cover all of them.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Theodoric
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From: Northwest, WI, USA
Joined: 08-15-2005
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Message 501 of 895 (891916)
02-17-2022 8:13 AM
Reply to: Message 499 by Phat
02-16-2022 8:08 PM


Re: Prayer For The Universe
So if you throw away the book, what God would you have?
Why is your book any more important or "real" than other religious tomes? I have one less god than you.
Were you to pretend to be a believer, what type of God would you imagine that was/is superior to the Lord Jesus Christ/
Doesn't work that way. I cannot conceive of a god. If there were such an entity it would be beyond all comprehension, so not worth even bothering about.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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jar
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From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004
Member Rating: 3.8


Message 502 of 895 (891917)
02-17-2022 10:47 AM
Reply to: Message 501 by Theodoric
02-17-2022 8:13 AM


Re: Prayer For The Universe
Theo writes:
Doesn't work that way. I cannot conceive of a god. If there were such an entity it would be beyond all comprehension, so not worth even bothering about.
If there is a GOD, and I believe there is one, that entity would have to be complete.
And that is one thing Phat and a vast majority of believers in EVERY religion simply fear and cannot accept.

My Website: My Website

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Tanypteryx
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Posts: 4504
From: Oregon, USA
Joined: 08-27-2006
Member Rating: 3.8


Message 503 of 895 (891919)
02-17-2022 11:01 AM


Holy Crap!
I just heard that a bunch of people had invalid baptisms. Now what??

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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From: Oregon, USA
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Message 504 of 895 (891920)
02-17-2022 11:17 AM
Reply to: Message 499 by Phat
02-16-2022 8:08 PM


Re: Prayer For The Universe
Phat writes:
what type of God would you imagine that was/is superior to the Lord Jesus Christ
1. One that didn't pretend to be non-existent.
2. One powerful enough to speak clearly to everyone.
3. One mature enough to not need worship.
4 One intelligent enough to not put the sewage system in the middle of the pleasure center.
5. One who stopped making children starve.
But this is just pointing out some of the things wrong with your pathetic fucking excuse for a god. Grow up, it's imaginary fiction.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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AZPaul3
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From: Phoenix
Joined: 11-06-2006
Member Rating: 3.0


Message 505 of 895 (891935)
02-17-2022 10:55 PM
Reply to: Message 503 by Tanypteryx
02-17-2022 11:01 AM


Re: Holy Crap!
Well, now, for a nominal fee, I go intervene with the Holy See Himself and have your sanctity restored.
Anyone interested in details can message me.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Tanypteryx
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Posts: 4504
From: Oregon, USA
Joined: 08-27-2006
Member Rating: 3.8


Message 506 of 895 (891936)
02-17-2022 11:04 PM
Reply to: Message 505 by AZPaul3
02-17-2022 10:55 PM


Re: Holy Crap!
and have your sanctity restored.
Wow, thanks! Where was my sanctity located again? Are you sure it's mine?

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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AZPaul3
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From: Phoenix
Joined: 11-06-2006
Member Rating: 3.0


Message 507 of 895 (891939)
02-17-2022 11:42 PM
Reply to: Message 506 by Tanypteryx
02-17-2022 11:04 PM


Re: Holy Crap!
Where was my sanctity located again?
Such things are kept with the documentation of the original baptismal ceremony. Depending upon the date of the ceremony your quickly waning sanctity could be stored in one of a number of the pope's vast warehouses around the world. Part of my service is to locate your weakening sanctity, get it and the documentation to Rome and have the Holy Father update the seal on the document with his signet ring. Then I return the documents, with sanctity renewed, to the appropriate archive.
Are you sure it's mine?
You pay the fee, I'll see to it it's yours. Absolute guaranteed. Cross my heart. Left to right, of course.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Tanypteryx
Member
Posts: 4504
From: Oregon, USA
Joined: 08-27-2006
Member Rating: 3.8


Message 508 of 895 (891955)
02-18-2022 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 507 by AZPaul3
02-17-2022 11:42 PM


Re: Holy Crap!
Oh, I just remembered, I'm not catholic, never mind...

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Phat
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Posts: 18389
From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 509 of 895 (891963)
02-18-2022 3:54 PM
Reply to: Message 502 by jar
02-17-2022 10:47 AM


Re: Prayer For The Universe
jar writes:
If there is a GOD, and I believe there is one, that entity would have to be complete.
Thats where that religious studies and eastern mumbo jumbo warped your concept of God. The Bible clearly says many times that God is good. Not complete. The Creator may have created good and evil but He does not embody it. But you never liked the apologists anyway so go read some esoteric description of a Monistic God and dream on about personal responsibility as an 8 fold path.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Raphael
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Posts: 173
From: Southern California, United States
Joined: 09-29-2007


Message 510 of 895 (891978)
02-18-2022 9:28 PM
Reply to: Message 509 by Phat
02-18-2022 3:54 PM


Re: Prayer For The Universe
Hola all, nice to see this thread is still going Not too much to add but wanted to show my face when I saw this one on the front page of All Topics.
Phat, the relentless one, courage mate!
- Raph

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