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kjsimons Member Posts: 829 From: Orlando,FL Joined: |
Some sound systems (including mine) have a separate center speaker and on some discs the dialogue is recorded on the center channel so I can up the dialogue volume independently of the rest of the soundtrack. It's a nice feature but is dependent on the formatting of the soundtrack.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.1 |
I wear hearing aids also. I all but quit watching tv before I got them. Mine are a few years old so they do not have Bluetooth but I have a device that broadcast the tv sound direct to my hearing aids. Even with that, I need closed captioning. The only use I see for something like google glass is to have closed captioning for everyday life.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6077 Joined: Member Rating: 7.1 |
... my parents used to speak Low German when they didn't want us to understand what they were saying. That would have very likely also worked even if you kids could speak German (ie, Hochdeutsch). Even many Germans have trouble understanding some of the dialects. Swiss German (Schwyzerdütsch) is a prime example, but so is Schwäbisch and Bayrisch. In 1973, I went to work in West Germany for the summer with a construction firm in the Black Forest. With five years experience in classroom German, I had fairly high confidence in my ability to understand the language, but then they had never taught us about dialects. For the entire first week on the job I could not understand anything I was told; if you had told me that was a different language I would have believed you. Then I met a Prussian ex-pat, an office worker at the construction firm, whom I could understand and he explained to me about Schwäbisch and that even Germans couldn't understand them. BTW, he was the first to inform me of a bit of post-war history. In the late 1940's, the Soviet occupiers kept the eastern part of Poland they had taken at the beginning of the war and made the eastern parts of Germany part of Poland (ie, East Prussia and what looks like a crescent moon on the old maps), expelling the Polish population from the eastern part and the German population from the western part. That sudden influx of even more displaced persons made the housing situation even worse in Germany. That Prussian had lived through that expulsion as a child. Also, my German ancestor came from Baden, so he was either Schwäbisch or Alemannisch (a bit to the west of Schwaben and not any easier to understand). Contact with the Alemanni tribe is what gave Germany its name in French and Spanish.
I liked the subtitles better because, though I only understand a little German, the dubbing didn't ring true. That happens a lot for a number of reasons:
On a different note, I assume you've also seen these memes on YouTube which take Hitler's enraged rant from Downfall (Der Untergang) and give it new subtitles in which he rages against something current (eg, the Watchmen movie changing the ending, Star Trek: Discovery). I tried watching one and it proved impossible. I could hear what Hitler is actually saying and the subtitles mismatch it so completely that my brain rebels -- I have to stop before I suffer terminal motion sickness (which happens when your senses send conflicting messages to the brain).
I couldn't figure out what the title meant - 72 Metpa - until I remembered that the Cyrillic "p" is our "r". 72 meters. I had four semesters of Russian nearly half a century ago. I've forgotten most of it, but I do still try to read what I see in film, usually storefront signs. In the documentary, Winter on Fire: Ukraine's Fight for Freedom (covering the Euromaidan protests in Kyiv from 21 November 2013 to 23 February 2014), I saw early on a storefront sign in cursive Cyrillics, so I sounded it out. "Sushi", which elicited a chuckle. Ironically, that same restaurant later served as a make-shift battle aid station for the wounded protestors especially after the government troops had started shooting them (and later raided that aid station). There was a German TV series sequel, Das Boot, which also dealt with the Resistance back in port at La Rochelle. I swear that I could recognize that same road used in the beginning of the movie. I saw it when it was included with my Amazon Prime subscription, but now it's only available for sale. The submarine pens that you saw in Das Boot and also in Raiders of the Lost Ark are the ones that are still intact in La Rochelle. You can see them on Google Earth at 46° 09' 30.96" N, 1° 12' 37.37" W, but I was not able to find any street view where I could see them, so the photo at that Wikipedia link is the best I can offer. The biggest problem for submarines was their limited range under battery power. For example, in The Winds of War an American destroyer before the war (and hence could not be torpedoed) held off a German submarine until the sub's batteries ran out and it had to surface and leave. In a documentary, they listed the first uses envisioned for nuclear power and nuclear submarines was on that list. In Cartegena, Spain, we saw the submarine, Peral, the first fully capable military submarine. Launched 8 September 1888, she had one torpedo tube, two torpedoes, and her interior was crammed full of batteries. She had no way to recharge her batteries while underway, so for the most part she was a proof-of-concept vessel. She was withdrawn from service in 1890 and is now preserved at the Cartagena Naval Museum adjacent to the naval base. Across from the naval base there's a hill between the harbor and the sea. Into that hill we could see two tunnels that had been started. Our tour guide told us that they were part of a submarine pen project Spain was building for Nazi Germany, were never completed.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6077 Joined: Member Rating: 7.1
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That is a nice feature.
I was from the generation that fell in love with stereo and then quadrophonic so that every group would play around with those features. Having abandoned pop music towards the mid-70's (I saw the 50's Revival as a sign that rock music had run out of ideas, which some could argue was the case given Disco, the 80's, etc), I don't know how sound systems have fared since then. A friend at work, about my age, told me about having introduced Beatles music to his granddaughter. She liked it and would listen to it a lot on her iPod, but with only one earphone instead of both. He said that was because modern music is no longer recorded in stereo and you can hear everything in just one earbud, so the kids have taken to using just one earbud. He said that one day he had her put the other one in her other ear and she was so surprised to learn that there were words to those songs. Edited by dwise1, : added "so that every group would play around with those features"
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kjsimons Member Posts: 829 From: Orlando,FL Joined: |
That's something I didn't know. In the early days of stereo, they loved to greatly vary the left and right channels, so the music was swirling around from ear to ear which was a truly cool experience! Music would be too flat if it's the same in both ears.
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ringo Member (Idle past 670 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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dwise1 writes:
My mother professed to understand only plautdietsch. Her father, my grandfather, spoke English to his 47 grandchildren but my dad spoke plautdietsch to him. Even many Germans have trouble understanding some of the dialects. To complicate matters, all four of my grandparents were born in Ukraine. My dad's dad, my other grandfather, did a hitch in the German Army around the turn of the 20th century. His parents, my great-grandparents, were from West Prussia.
dwise1 writes:
It isn't something I brag about but the German martial music still stirs my Canadian blood.
Germans like to have their foreign movies dubbed into German, but they'll keep the songs in the original and subtitle them.
"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6077 Joined: Member Rating: 7.1
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Plattdeutsch (AKA "Low German" because it's in the low lands of the north) uses different consonants than Hochdeutsch (because it's in the high lands and mountains of the south). The changes of the second Germanic sound shift (die Zweite Lautverschiebung) had started in the south and worked its way northwards stopping around Köln (Cologne). It explains the patterns of differences in English's German cognates (eg, deer -- Tier, garden -- Garten, earth -- Erde, pipe -- Pfeife, thief -- Dieb, give -- geben) and also why those differences do not appear between Dutch/Frisian and English. And they do not appear much between English and Plattdeutsch.
Another thing I had noticed in Plattdeutsch (and Dutch) is the practice of making a vowel long by doubling it. Hence, we get the word for "boat", "Boot" (as in "Das Boot") with a long "o" that has it sound like the English word "boat" (not like English "boot" as in something you wear for marching and as I keep hearing Americans mispronounce it). Somewhere I had been told that while most standard languages are based on a particular dialect (eg, Parisian French, Tokyo Japanese, Oxford English), Hochdeutsch is basically an artificial language that nobody speaks as a native dialect. Martin Luther's translation of the Bible into German formed much of its basis, but for pronunciation they basically combined the consonants of the south and the vowels of the north. Or so I've been told. BTW, we only had English in my family, since our German ancestor from Baden had been killed during Quantrill's Raid on Lawrence, Kansas, in 1863. He had married an Irish girl and after that my father's side was primarily Irish while my mother's side was completely Scottish. I chose to study German in high school because of my 1-16th German ancestry, plus I had failed to learn conversational Spanish whereas I flourished in my grammar-intensive German class (it meshed with my engineer's mind). I'm the only one in my family who knows German, so it's my job to track down our great-great-grandfather in Germany.
In The Enemy Below, ... The first-season Star Trek episode, Balance of Terror (which introduced the Romulans and their cloaking device), is supposed to have been based on The Enemy Below. Someone even pointed out that the heading home is the same in both works. Robert Mitchem also played the destroyer CO in that scene I had described from The Winds of War (1983) in which he interposed his ship between a German sub and a convoy (again, this was before 08 Dec 1941) until the sub's batteries had depleted enough to force it to surface and disengage. He remarks to his officers how the Navy works in such cases: "Either you're a hero or you're a son-of-a-bitch."
"Tomorrow belongs, tomorrow belongs, tomorrow belongs to me!" Somehow I remember that as having been in German: "Das Morgen gehört ja mir!" I was surprised when I saw the movie again and it was in English. I forget how it was when I saw the dubbed version in München in 1973, but I would assume that the song had not been dubbed. I had also seen the stage production at my university around 1974. I kind of seem to remember that in the play when they perform that song it's in English at first but then the final verse is sung in German. That might have been where I had heard that. Look into the history of Kraft durch Freude (KdF -- Strength through Joy). Through it the Nazi party inserted itself into everybody's life. They organized after work activities, concerts and shows, excursions (eg, ski vacations), stays at their resorts, sea cruises, etc. Basically, they made available to workers activities that before only the wealthy could enjoy. At one point, KdF had the largest and most active travel agency in the world. And many of the activities and shows were steeped in German culture, meaning that the party had appropriated them for their political purposes. The VW Beetle started out as the "KdF-Wagen" since the savings plans for buying one was administered through the KdF. Of course most of that went away once the war started. Though a lot of television programming during the war would include German culture. Edited by dwise1, : Gender correction: "der Morgen" = "the morning", but "das Morgen" = "tomorrow" as a noun
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ringo Member (Idle past 670 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dwise1 writes:
I read somewhere that the Angles who crossed over to Angle-land with the Saxons and Jutes spoke a language quite similar to plautdietsch. The plautdietsh-speaking Mennonites who migrated to northern Poland also picked up some of their language there before continuing on to Ukraine.
It explains the patterns of differences in English's German cognates (eg, deer -- Tier, garden -- Garten, earth -- Erde, pipe -- Pfeife, thief -- Dieb, give -- geben) and also why those differences do not appear between Dutch/Frisian and English. dwise1 writes:
My dad used to say that Germany was made up of a hundred little countries, nominally the 'Holy Roman Empire' before it was unified/conquered by Prussia. I suppose the artificial borders helped to foster separation of dialects. Hochdeutsch is basically an artificial language that nobody speaks as a native dialect."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 9.1
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They recorded the first test images from all the mirror segments today on the camera sensor. The same star projected 36 times. Now they will focus each mirror on a single point.
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8654 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.6
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And this is a selfie Webb took before adjusting a camera lens.
https://phys.org/...22-02-webb-telescope-starand-selfie.html Edited by AZPaul3, : oops - cite addedEschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 9.1
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Happy Charles Darwin's Birthday.
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq |
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6077 Joined: Member Rating: 7.1
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I like submarine movies. If you ever make it to Germany, go to München (Munich to English speakers -- I have a bad habit of pronouncing names as they should be), visit the Deutsches Museum which is a museum of technology. It's located on an island in the river Isar just east of the Altstadt (durch das Isartor und dann 'n bissl südlich). Absolutely fascinating for any tech nerd. I saw a WWII Schwimwagen which looked like a VW chassis in a boat hull. And a Tropfenwagen, an aerodynamically designed car (the designer started as an automobile engineer, then designed aircraft during WWI, then had to return to designing cars because of Treaty of Versailles restrictions for German aircraft) whose basic shape was like a canoe with the driver at the narrow front (go to the Italian Wikipedia page for an interior view of that). I didn't see it when I was there in 1973, but one of the current displays is of the interior of a German submarine, the U-1, of which there are a number of YouTube videos; eg:
Share and enjoy!
ABE: When you visit the Deutsches Museum, arrive early and be prepared to spend all day. Or maybe even plan to spend two days. There is so much to see there. Another good museum if you're interested in science history is the Museo Galileo in Florence (Firenze). It's on the river Arno a few blocks upstream of the Ponte Vecchio and right next to the Uffizi. In Florence it's a good idea to buy a museum pass; a lot of major cities offer the same deal. The best part of the deal was that we had front-of-line privileges so we didn't have to wait in the long lines. Edited by dwise1, : changed subtitleEdited by dwise1, : ABE
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 9.1
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Webb Team Brings 18 Dots of Starlight Into Hexagonal Formation
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq |
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kjsimons Member Posts: 829 From: Orlando,FL Joined: |
If you ever get to Chicago the Museum of Science and Industry has a captured WWII German U Boat, the U-505. I was surprised at the amount of wood work there was inside the sub.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 9.1 |
Yeah, Oregon has one also. Kids love them, and some adults too. I was pretty young when i decided I didn't want to die in a cave or trapped underwater.
quote: What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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