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Theodoric
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Message 31 of 54 (892057)
02-24-2022 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by LamarkNewAge
02-22-2022 9:09 PM


Re: A big nation news report comes practically every day on the March 1 Cuellar-Cisneros
I did what you asked. I did your research for you and found that what you claim seems to not be true. Are you going to present facts to back your claims? Or are you going to just ignore this?
As I said I am willing to reconsider my stance if you can provide evidence.
Waiting.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 32 of 54 (892063)
02-24-2022 2:14 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Theodoric
02-24-2022 12:06 PM


Re: A big nation news report comes practically every day on the March 1 Cuellar-Cisneros
The Cook political report and NBC news feel that Jessica Cisneros is very possibly too far to the left for the conservative Rio Grande Valley.

(I think the left/right stuff is an oversimplification)

On the issues:

Cuellar concerns me the most, when he is the only (House) Democrat to vote against the landmark labor legislation. I never though I would see a package that has so many earthshaking things for workers. But I am shocked that every Democrat supports it (Mark Kelly, Sinema, and Warner are on the fence in the Senate).

But Cuellar is a heroic pro-free-trade warrior, and Labor HAS burnt bridges with free-trade supporters - to the point of ruinous levels, politically speaking. Only 10% of union members work in a job that involves production of tradable goods, and that is even with "Big Labor" buring bridges that have caused union membership to plummet precipitously.

I have evolved into a sympathetic view of Cuellar, though I saw his negatively, at first.

The labor legislation aside, I now feel that the conservative Democrats of old arent much different (both overall and on an issue by issue basis, roughly) from the "liberal" primary challengers that I was so excited about, years/decades ago. That is one major point that causes me to depart from my past position.

I also started to feel (around 2009-10, but possibly a bit sooner) that Cuellar would have made one heck of a good gubernatorial candidate, and that would have made a tremendous difference in Texas, for the better. He would have been a major improvement over the 2014 nominee. 2010 & 2014 saw already pathetic Democratic chances evaporate in the bad political climate. 2018 would have been a good idea.

Cuellar fought hard against the border wall years before Trump supported it. He was very sincere in his position on Obamacare, and he updated everyone (including nationally on CNN) when he felt he was getting closer to giving his support.

I dont like how he has been forced into the left/right game, and I disagree with the talking point angles he takes. But he is right about the fact that he understands the district and the complexities.

(He never was the DINO everyone assumed he was)

(The ironic thing is that Cuellar might loose due to 40,000 fairly "young", "liberal" San Antonio constituents being added to the Rio Grande Valley district)

(The redrawn district gave Biden a win about 3.0% higher than the totally "even" 4.3% win in the old 2013-2023 districts, which matched the national average)

(Based on the 2020 results, this current district is D+1.5)

*Old district is D+0 or EVEN

Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.

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Theodoric
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Message 33 of 54 (892064)
02-24-2022 2:33 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by LamarkNewAge
02-24-2022 2:14 PM


Show your sources
If no sources it never happened.

Tired of feeding the troll.

Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.


What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 34 of 54 (892066)
02-24-2022 3:42 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Theodoric
02-24-2022 2:33 PM


Re: Show your sources
I can't get people, like Percy, to admit that I made a factual report on a public opinion poll question (and the poll was a very academically conducted & analysed poll, by CATO), after he totally botched an entire topic (with a few others) over a mistake of his own.

I quoted the polling question and the answers by the polled groups.

It still went nowhere.

Sorry, but I am not going to waste time on people with visceral fat between their (otherwise great) brain tissue. Basic connections are just never going to be made, not matter how resolved the matter might "be".

Now, back to THIS issue:

I deliberately went ahead and gave my opinion on Cuellar, so my non-political-opinion analysis was not botched in the same way. Otherwise, you would get even more confused.

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Message 35 of 54 (892067)
02-24-2022 4:03 PM
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02-24-2022 2:14 PM


Re: A big nation news report comes practically every day on the March 1 Cuellar-Cisneros
The Rio Grande Valley has traditionally been progressive liberal. It's the home of Lloyd Bentsen.

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Message 36 of 54 (892068)
02-24-2022 4:49 PM
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02-24-2022 4:03 PM


Re: A big nation news report comes practically every day on the March 1 Cuellar-Cisneros
You cite a conservative Democrat as evidence?

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Message 37 of 54 (892073)
02-24-2022 7:21 PM
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02-24-2022 4:49 PM


Re: A big nation news report comes practically every day on the March 1 Cuellar-Cisneros
Are you totally incapable of even reading?

I cited no one.

I live in the Rio Grande Valley and have first hand knowledge of the area.

There is only one town in all of Hidalgo County that have been able to elect a Repugnican Mayor.

This is and has been a democratic strong hold and only slowly seeing any Repubnican successes.

Henry has been elected but faced challenges and hopefully this time will lose the primary. That is if the three fascist stooges in Austin cannot find a way to keep everyone except the Repubnicans from voting.


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Message 38 of 54 (892075)
02-24-2022 8:30 PM
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02-24-2022 7:21 PM


Re: A big nation news report comes practically every day on the March 1 Cuellar-Cisneros
So, why did you mention Bentsen?

I know he is a famous Democrat (Any history of George H W Bush will mention the 1970 Senate battle between the two men)

As for the rest of your post, it should be pointed out that Biden beat Trump 57% to 42% in the Rio Grande Valley, if one uses the strictest definition (which limits the area) of the actual RGV. But the outside areas nearby made the race closer.

Biden won nationally by 4.3%, so the Valley voted 12% to 13% more Democratic, in a 50/50 nation.

That would make the whole Valley D+6, if one only looks at the 2020 results.

(Typically it is safer to factor in results from the last 2 Presidential races. But I think 2016 was way more of an outlier than 2020. Infact, 2020 looks like more of the norm, if not a trend toward a developing norm).

Hildago is the most Democratic county in the RGV; Biden won 58 to 41.

But the congressional districts are drawn to include many areas outside the strict RGV.

The Democrats have one seat that includes (most of) Hildago - the seat Filemon Vela is retiring from. The seat was gerrymandered to include heavily Democratic areas from outside Hildago, so that it is a 62-37 Biden district.

(I hate to talk about left/right stuff, but I will quickly point out that the large number of conservative voters, in the RGV, are seeing the Democratic party as out of touch, and are drifting into a more nonpartisan political pattern. Pro Life, pro gun Hispanics, especially. National Democrats are not going to do as well as local Democrats, and this is a calibration disparity pattern that has played out ALOT - all over the country - in recent years/decades.)

(I don't want you to feel I am buying into the typical legt/right paradigm the media likes to peddle, however)

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Message 39 of 54 (892076)
02-24-2022 8:31 PM
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02-24-2022 8:30 PM


Re: A big nation news report comes practically every day on the March 1 Cuellar-Cisneros
Yawn. 2020 was one election.

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Message 40 of 54 (892082)
02-25-2022 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by LamarkNewAge
02-24-2022 3:42 PM


Re: Show your sources
LamarckNewAge writes:

Sorry, but I am not going to waste time on people with visceral fat between their (otherwise great) brain tissue. Basic connections are just never going to be made, not matter how resolved the matter might "be".

I wouldn't have seen this because I haven't been reading this thread, but it was just brought to my attention by a message in the Report Discussion Problems Here 4.0 thread.

If by "not going to waste time on" us means you'll stop bothering us with your messages, then I for one consider you in turn thinking us fatheads a more than fair exchange.

--Percy


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Message 41 of 54 (892083)
02-25-2022 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by Percy
02-25-2022 12:11 PM


Re: Show your sources
Like I even need to argue that Democrats are concerned about loosing a district that is a D+1district (based on 2020 results), with a controversial young candidate (The issue is if Jessica Cisneros wins), in a probable pro-Reoublican year.

Incase anybody doubts that the political climate is challenging for Democrats, go look at the RollCall site's analysis of the new Western District in Montana.

Montana gained population and a sevond congressional seat.

The new Westerm District is great news for Democrata. The at-large (single) congressional seat, gave Trump a 56 to 40 win. It was the entire state. The entire state gave Danes a 55% to 45% win over Stevd Bullock (it would have been much closer if Bullock did not flip on guns, when he ran for President) in the Senate race.

The new "western district" is a good seat, in that Trump only won by 7, and (newly minted gun control supporter) Bullock only lost by 1 point.

Go read Rollcall's new article.

RollCall said the 2022 political climate will make the Democratic friendly district out of reach for Democrats, for now.


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Message 42 of 54 (892084)
02-25-2022 1:33 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Theodoric
02-23-2022 11:08 PM


Re: Good reasons to be nervous.
Theodoric writes:

I use rethuglicans or GQP

I prefer "The Pity Party".


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Theodoric
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Message 43 of 54 (892085)
02-25-2022 2:02 PM
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02-25-2022 1:02 PM


Re: Show your sources
I thought you said you were not going to waste our time.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 44 of 54 (892086)
02-25-2022 2:54 PM
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02-25-2022 1:02 PM


Re: Show your sources
I don't think it matters what people say to you. Whatever you've decided to write about, off you go. You don't really need correspondents.

--Percy


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Message 45 of 54 (892087)
02-25-2022 3:32 PM
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02-25-2022 2:54 PM


Re: Show your sources
Because I get nothibg but pure shit.

Ask jar why he mentioned Lloyd Bentsen, after he said that the Rio Grande Valley is just so progressive.


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