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LamarkNewAge
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Message 31 of 995 (892199)
03-02-2022 10:42 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by jar
03-02-2022 10:03 AM


Re: This War Is Very Depressing To Me
Nate Silvers 538 site looked at recent polls and admitted more Republicans are anti-Putin than Democrats. Democrats are more pro-Putin.
Europeans are the most anti-Russia, but younger folks are more divided (close to 50/50) while older folks are insanely anti-Russia.
There has been some element of conservative support for Putin, among anti-war types, but that is - proportional reality - essentially a side issue.
(Media propaganda might distort and omit enough facts, to make it a big issue, in certain people's heads)

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Message 32 of 995 (892202)
03-02-2022 10:49 AM
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03-02-2022 10:20 AM


Re: This War Is Very Depressing To Me
That is particularly true since Smirnoff vodka sold the the US is also distilled and bottled in the US.
Edited by jar, : fix caps

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Message 33 of 995 (892203)
03-02-2022 10:52 AM
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03-02-2022 10:49 AM


Re: This War Is Very Depressing To Me

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 34 of 995 (892205)
03-02-2022 11:05 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by LamarkNewAge
03-02-2022 10:42 AM


Re: This War Is Very Depressing To Me
I'd ask for a link to the source, but we all know you are incapable of that.
Troll.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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LamarkNewAge
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Message 35 of 995 (892210)
03-02-2022 8:36 PM
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03-02-2022 11:05 AM


Re: This War Is Very Depressing To Me
You do not demobstrate an understanding of what is being discussed.
Prove to me that you undetstand what my Nate Silver (538.com) comment centered around.
I want a 200 word essay, from you. Call it an earnest post.

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Message 36 of 995 (892211)
03-03-2022 12:28 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by LamarkNewAge
03-02-2022 8:36 PM


Re: This War Is Very Depressing To Me
Troll
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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AZPaul3
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Message 37 of 995 (892212)
03-03-2022 1:09 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by LamarkNewAge
03-02-2022 8:36 PM


Re: This War Is Very Depressing To Me
Why bother.
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 38 of 995 (892213)
03-03-2022 2:19 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by AZPaul3
03-03-2022 1:09 AM


Re: This War Is Very Depressing To Me
I cant wait to see how ignorant fascists, like yourself twist away when I show the 538 article title.
I will tell you what the polls say.
But why do I bother with rock-rib fascists, like you?

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 39 of 995 (892214)
03-03-2022 2:25 AM


538 article:
Tge GOP is still largely skepucal of Putin - for now
See the reference to the Morning Consult/ Politico poll which shows that 20% of Democrats approve of what Putin is doing in Ukraine, while just 10% of Republicans do.
See the reference to the CBS/YOU GOV poll which finds that 4% of Republicans feel we should outright support Russia,in the conflict, while 5% of Democrats do.
Twist it all away, fascists!

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Message 40 of 995 (892215)
03-03-2022 2:52 AM
Reply to: Message 39 by LamarkNewAge
03-03-2022 2:25 AM


Here is a link to the article, and I can understand why LNA wouldn’t want to provide it.
First, it was published on the 25th, as the invasion was just starting. Necessarily all the polls were taken BEFORE Russia attacked.
And that’s not all:
But that hasn’t stopped influential figures on the right from taking a friendlier position on Putin. On Tuesday, Trump appeared on a conservative radio show and called Putin “smart,” “savvy” and a “peacekeeper.” Even after news broke of the invasion on Wednesday night, Trump called the attack “sad” but also defended Putin, saying, “I really don’t believe he wanted to do this initially. I think he wanted to do something and negotiate it. It just got worse and worse.”
I wonder why a Trumper like LNA might want to be quiet about that?
Tucker Carlson came out against the war but was pushing a pro-Putin message before it.
The article notes this:
Recent polling and the messaging of most Republican leaders show a mostly unified front against Putin, albeit with disagreement over the best way to respond to Russia’s assault on Ukraine. But the mixed messaging from influential sources like Trump, Carlson and the QAnon community threaten to chip away at that resolve. Clearly, some Americans already believe that Putin may not be the bad guy.

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Message 41 of 995 (892216)
03-03-2022 3:05 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by LamarkNewAge
03-03-2022 2:19 AM


Re: This War Is Very Depressing To Me
But why do I bother with rock-rib fascists, like you?
Because I am way smarter than you and I sport this most magnificent beard.
Besides, I smell better.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 42 of 995 (892217)
03-03-2022 3:41 AM
Reply to: Message 40 by PaulK
03-03-2022 2:52 AM


PaulK is missing the point (plus telling lies).
The dishonest "Trumper" line is actually retarded dishonest because it implies that some sort of common anti-war conjunction means that someone is a general supporter of the broader issue agenda of a politician.
But, I want to get to PaulK's bullshit, and not spend to much time on that.
The bullshit is that he ignores the fact that Republicans have registered party members that have views that are not what liars like himself (and jar, Theodoric, AzPaul, etc.) claim.
PaulK and his ilk have NOTHING to back up their false accusations. And the available evidence shows that they are ignorant or lying.
Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 43 of 995 (892218)
03-03-2022 3:42 AM
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03-03-2022 3:05 AM


Re: This War Is Very Depressing To Me
So are you ignorant or lying?

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PaulK
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Message 44 of 995 (892219)
03-03-2022 3:51 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by LamarkNewAge
03-03-2022 3:41 AM


Re: PaulK is missing the point (plus telling lies).
quote:
The dishonest "Trumper" line is actually retarded dishonest because it implies that some sort of common anti-war conjunction means that someone is a general supporter of the broader issue agenda of a politician
Yawn. It does no such thing. And I identified you as a Trumper weeks ago. It has nothing to do with any-supposed “anti-war” sentiments.
quote:
The bullshit is that he ignores the fact that Republicans have registered party members that have views that are not what liars like himself (and jar, Theodoric, AzPaul, etc.) claim.
Perhaps you’d like to show me where I claimed that all registered Republican voters supported Putin.
quote:
PaulK and his ilk have NOTHING to back up their false accusations. And the available evidence shows that they are ignorant or lying.
I think the quotes I produced from the 538 article do a great job of backing up the claim that there are significant pro-Putin voices on the right.

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 45 of 995 (892220)
03-03-2022 4:18 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by PaulK
03-03-2022 3:51 AM


Re: PaulK is missing the point (plus telling lies).
I get the feeling you don't mind piling up lies on top of lies.
I am not even sure if you are accurately describing Trump's views anyway.
The Russian invasion started on the 24th, not the 25th.
You lied about when the 538 article was written; it was not written before the war, or on the same day it started. It was written a day after it started.
You lied when you said Russia first invaded Ukraine in Feb 2022, anyway. It already happened in 2014!
You lied when you said that it was unimportant that 20% of Democrats supported Putin before Feb 25 (24), 2022. I know you are a lying liar, because you then expressrd outrage at Tucker Carlson holding similar antebellum views.
You hair splitting is obviously pure shit, but it misses the point that liars, like you, are trying to confuse everyone with lies about where certain Americans stand. It is poisonous and disgraceful.

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