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PaulK
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Message 46 of 995 (892221)
03-03-2022 4:37 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by LamarkNewAge
03-03-2022 4:18 AM


Re: PaulK is missing the point (plus telling lies).
quote:
I get the feeling you don't mind piling up lies on top of lies.
Funny how you can’t find even one then.
quote:
I am not even sure if you are accurately describing Trump's views anyway.
That description would be the direct quote from the 538 article. So it isn’t mine, is it?
quote:
The Russian invasion started on the 24th, not the 25th.
You lied about when the 538 article was written; it was not written before the war, or on the same day it started. It was written a day after it started.
So, not a lie then. And the point about the polls is still correct.
quote:
You lied when you said Russia first invaded Ukraine in Feb 2022, anyway. It already happened in 2014!
Since I didn’t say that I can hardly have lied.
quote:
You lied when you said that it was unimportant that 20% of Democrats supported Putin before Feb 25 (24), 2022. I know you are a lying liar, because you then expressrd outrage at Tucker Carlson holding similar antebellum views.
I didn’t say that either.
Let’s also note that according to the 538 article they supported Putin’s handling of the situation in the Ukraine - before the invasion, when talks were going on, and the Russians were falsely claiming to have pulled forces back from the border. That’s not the same as general support for Putin. And it’s certainly not the same as Carlson’s support for Putin - as described in the 538 article. Perhaps you would like to read what it says? It IS your source - even if you refused to provide a link to it (I wonder why? Don’t you want people to read beyond the title?)
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You hair splitting is obviously pure shit, but it misses the point that liars, like you, are trying to confuse everyone with lies about where certain Americans stand. It is poisonous and disgraceful.
Funny how you didn’t provide any examples of me doing that, then. Especially when I asked for examples. I very rarely - if ever - speak about the average Republican voter. So it would be very hard for me to confuse people about where THEY stand.
On the other hand you try to claim that 20% of Democratic voters had similar views to those expressed by Tucker Carlson. Perhaps you would like to support that? Or maybe you’re the one trying to “confuse everyone with lies about where certain Americans stand”.

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 47 of 995 (892222)
03-03-2022 4:43 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by PaulK
03-03-2022 4:37 AM


Re: PaulK is missing the point (plus telling lies).
The poll was taken February 19-21 by Morning Consult/Politico.
Biden, on Feb 18 said he was "convinced" Russia would invade Kyiv with A MILITARY FORCE!
20% of Democrats then said that they at least somewhat agree with how Putin was handling the conflict with Ukraine.
Only 10% of Republicans at least somewhat agreed that Putin was handling the conflict.
These are facts.
(Not that "facts" are anything you have a concept of)

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 48 of 995 (892223)
03-03-2022 4:47 AM


"We believe that they will target Ukraine's capital, Kyiv" (Biden, Feb 18)
Poll question came after Biden said he was "convinced" of military invasion.
"...approve or disapprove of how the gollowing are handling the conflict between Rusdia and Ukraine"
Then Putin was one of the following.
20% of Democrats approved of his handling.
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Message 49 of 995 (892224)
03-03-2022 7:27 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by LamarkNewAge
02-28-2022 9:42 PM


Re: Who Reeducates Whom?
What do you know about the big "African giants" - South Africa and Nigeria?
Im learning from different sources.
What do the leaders feel?
What do the people feel?
I listened to this 2012 commentary: Nigerian Crossroads by the BBC.
quote:
Mark Doyle investigates the Nigerian paradox. He reports from a Lagos international fashion show - and overflies a network of illegal oil refineries. He visits a polo club where relatively wealthy players favour Argentine ponies - and finds himself in a camp for displaced people which looks like it could be in war-torn Somalia.
Nigeria, the giant of West Africa, has the largest population of any African country. It's among the top dozen producers of oil in the world, and has a vibrant, growing economy. It's a country that could - perhaps should - be a significant player on the world stage. But Nigeria's communities are also torn apart by communal and religious violence. And in recent years a new, radical Islamist group has emerged to challenge the power of the state across the north of the country. Thousands have been killed as the police and the followers of the sect battle it out in places of worship, police stations and on the streets.
BBC Correspondent Mark Doyle has been visiting Nigeria for over twenty years. He finds the country to be sometimes inspiring and sometimes intensely frustrating. He asks whether Nigeria will grow into a confident democracy or whether it will collapse into a state of semi-permanent violence.
If Doyle has captured an accurate assessment, the government is torn by violence as its own poorer people have turned to theft to siphon off state and corporate profits. The claim is that gangs steal ten Olympic swimming pools' worth of oil every day! I see why you are sensitive about global racism. My only comment on that is that the racial struggle is really an economic struggle. Consider the pirates of Somalia. I see no easy solutions in today's world. This whole claptrap about a war on "white people" is not only counter-racist but unrealistic.
One more observation: The African Giants are not solidly in the pro-U.S. Camp. They also work with BRIC to a degree. Their biggest problem is domestic social unrest. Why must the poor attack businesses? (Same problem America is having...which is growing.)

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
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“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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PaulK
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Message 50 of 995 (892225)
03-03-2022 7:56 AM
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03-03-2022 4:43 AM


Re: PaulK is missing the point (plus telling lies).
quote:
The poll was taken February 19-21 by Morning Consult/Politico.
Biden, on Feb 18 said he was "convinced" Russia would invade Kyiv with A MILITARY FORCE!
So Biden got that right. Good for him. And certainly better than Trump’s comments - made after the invasion began - quoted in the article.
quote:
20% of Democrats then said that they at least somewhat agree with how Putin was handling the conflict with Ukraine.
So, presumably they disagreed with Biden. If you actually cared about the facts you would at least deal with that possibility.
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These are facts.
And you’ll note that I am not disputing any facts.
quote:
(Not that "facts" are anything you have a concept of)
Then why am I not disputing any facts?

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AZPaul3
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Message 51 of 995 (892228)
03-03-2022 10:34 AM
Reply to: Message 43 by LamarkNewAge
03-03-2022 3:42 AM


Re: This War Is Very Depressing To Me
So are you ignorant or lying?
No. It's true, I'm better than you and my beard is most wonderful.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Theodoric
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Message 52 of 995 (892230)
03-03-2022 10:50 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by LamarkNewAge
03-03-2022 3:41 AM


Re: PaulK is missing the point (plus telling lies).
But I am not lying. If I were you could provide evidence.
Troll.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 53 of 995 (892231)
03-03-2022 10:51 AM
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03-03-2022 10:34 AM


Re: This War Is Very Depressing To Me
We should compare beards. Mine is most wonderful too.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Tanypteryx
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Message 54 of 995 (892233)
03-03-2022 10:59 AM


Russian Mommies
I just saw a report the the Ukrainians will release any captured Russian soldiers to their mommies. And apparently lots of the invaders ate all their supplies while they were amassing for the invasion.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


  
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Message 55 of 995 (892234)
03-03-2022 11:04 AM
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03-03-2022 10:51 AM


Re: This War Is Very Depressing To Me
Hey, I even got a Respect the Beard coffee mug from my granddaughter for Xmas. Although I have had to trim mine back so my face mask will fit tightly.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Tanypteryx
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Message 56 of 995 (892235)
03-03-2022 11:08 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by Theodoric
03-03-2022 10:50 AM


Re: PaulK is missing the point (plus telling lies).
He's just pissed that no one acknowledges the spectacularness of his membership in Trump's Moron Cult and the National Geographic Society.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Theodoric
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Message 57 of 995 (892236)
03-03-2022 11:13 AM
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03-03-2022 11:08 AM


Re: PaulK is missing the point (plus telling lies).
Wow! National Geographic Society.
Big hitter, the Lama.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Tanypteryx
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Message 58 of 995 (892237)
03-03-2022 11:19 AM
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03-03-2022 11:13 AM


Re: PaulK is missing the point (plus telling lies).
I know. It's tough to get in.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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LamarkNewAge
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Message 59 of 995 (892240)
03-03-2022 10:11 PM


What happened to the "Fairness Doctrine"?
People here feel that 10% of Republicans holding a favorable view of Putin is just too much to stomach.
I feel that it is a miracle that even 10% get enough (balanced?) information to be able to form an independent thought.
EvC has a mass of posters that have a fascist mindset, granted - but, even this lot clearly suffer from only hearing the imperalistic, expansionist, militaristic, "western" side in the debate.
The country will buy the b.s. Democrats will swallow the imperalistic cool-aid, and feel that it is "too Republican" to try to learn about the various sides in the (POTENTIAL) "debate", so Democratic views will start to mirror the anti-Russian views of Republicans.
John McCain & Mitt Romney (and Hillary,too!) were defeated by a war-weary electorate, that seemed to be growing in suspicion when it came to nationalism, imperialism & propaganda.
But, there seems to be a reconstitution at work. Masterful never-ending propaganda has managed to brainwashed EVEN IN THE INTERNET AGE.
And it sucks.
And it is scary.
*Can we please have a revamped *fairness doctrine, with fully updated rules governing search engines, social media, etc. My revamped Fairness Doctrine would be based around ADDING INFORMATION, not censorship. Make people's world smarter, not smaller!

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Theodoric
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Message 60 of 995 (892241)
03-03-2022 10:16 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by LamarkNewAge
03-03-2022 10:11 PM


Re: What happened to the "Fairness Doctrine"?
Can we please have posters that back their assertions with actual facts and sources?
Troll.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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