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Topic: The War in Europe
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AZPaul3
Member Posts: 8527 From: Phoenix Joined: 11-06-2006 Member Rating: 5.2
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Re: Facts for the factually challenged on what an abstain vote means.
SOUTH AFRICA CRITICIZED FOR ABSTAINING PN UN UKRAINE RESOLUTION We don't care, LNA.
Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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LamarkNewAge
Member Posts: 2312 Joined: 12-22-2015
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Message 122 of 995 (892305)
03-05-2022 12:39 AM
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Reply to: Message 120 by AZPaul3
03-04-2022 11:28 PM
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Re: I am about to show that 4.25 billion people live in countries that opposed Western de
And about 50 of the 141 have less than a million people. They fear the big powers. Many nations have no navy, and are tiny islands with big western carriers surrounding them. The 141 number only proves that westerners invite themselves into basing whetever they want, and fearful locals have no choice but to salute. But you like to bully. That is obvious. Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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LamarkNewAge
Member Posts: 2312 Joined: 12-22-2015
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Message 123 of 995 (892306)
03-05-2022 12:41 AM
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I decided that I will show the population for the 141 "supporting" nations also.
Not just the 40 opposing nations. Fascists need some perspective
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AZPaul3
Member Posts: 8527 From: Phoenix Joined: 11-06-2006 Member Rating: 5.2
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141 of 193 nations voted to condemn Putin. He is condemned before the entire world. No matter how you may try to spin it history will record the fact that the world condemned Putin.
Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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PaulK
Member Posts: 17825 Joined: 01-10-2003 Member Rating: 2.1
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Re: Half of world refuses to support Western railroading UN resolution.
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I am still hoing to give you complete list.
Since you won’t explain the relevance that would be a bit pointless. How about providing evidence that China abstained because the Chinese people support white fascism?
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You have this "white is might", mindset, so you will brush aside the majority of the world population that - based on the vote of their representatives - opposes your fascist policies.
And there’s more evidence of your fascism. The idea that governments dictate the opinions of their people seems pretty fascist to me. And given the amount of projection in your posts, I can only conclude hat you see Russia as an example of “white might” and coloured “support” for Russia as an acceptance of their “rightful” place. Pretty sick racism.
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We already heard you begin to dismiss Chinese, South Africans, Ecuadorians, etc.
By which you mean that I dare to suggest that the people have their own voices, which may not agree with their government. And that their governments may have reasons for abstaining - or even voting against - other than support for white fascism. Neither of which you will allow. So clearly this is just more projection on your part. People of colour aren’t allowed to think for themselves. You may see yourself as representing the world of white fascism, but your dreams of support are just another “white might” racist fantasy.
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Phat
Member Posts: 18295 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.1
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Re: Half of world refuses to support Western railroading UN resolution.
LNA, i want to hear what you think the future is for planet earth. Is it a revolution? Billions of people breaking their shackles to ancient yet ongoing colonialism? Is it the downfall of the Uniuted States? (Some see this in Biblical Prophecy). Or is it an externalization of your own personal frustrations? I want to know. I want to know how you think. If EvC is unworthy to hear it, I want you to get in touch with me personally. r send me a private message.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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LamarkNewAge
Member Posts: 2312 Joined: 12-22-2015
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Message 127 of 995 (892315)
03-05-2022 12:59 PM
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Reply to: Message 125 by PaulK
03-05-2022 1:42 AM
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Re: Half of world refuses to support Western railroading UN resolution.
You have over 4.1 billion people who have governments that refused to demand Russian withdraw, absent negotiations. Tiny Belarus was the only country that is recognized as unquestionably "white". That is a nation of 6 million, I believe. Central Asian nations, around Iran (like tiny Armenia), are the next closest thing you might get, when it comes to "white" nations supporting Russia (or opposing the swift pullout demand). The 3.6 billion people who live in nations that supported the demand are mostly white. Get a clue, PaulK. *And I said the Chinese voted against your white supremacist world policies. (As you know, but lie about)
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PaulK
Member Posts: 17825 Joined: 01-10-2003 Member Rating: 2.1
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Re: Half of world refuses to support Western railroading UN resolution.
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You have over 4.1 billion people who have governments that refused to demand Russian withdraw, absent negotiations.
Yes, as I pointed out it is the governments that made the decision, not the people. And most abstained rather than vote against, which is hardly full support for the fascist invasion.
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Tiny Belarus was the only country that is recognized as unquestionably "white".
Belarus is also a Russian satellite, so couldn’t vote for the resolution anyway. And isn’t Russia white? Anyway, we have yet to see why this should be considered relevant - especially without considering the motivations of the governments.
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*And I said the Chinese voted against your white supremacist world policies.
(As you know, but lie about)
I don’t have any white supremacist world policies. Nor did I lie about China. Indeed the Chinese government abstained on the vote.
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LamarkNewAge
Member Posts: 2312 Joined: 12-22-2015
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Message 129 of 995 (892317)
03-05-2022 2:52 PM
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Reply to: Message 128 by PaulK
03-05-2022 1:17 PM
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Re: Half of world refuses to support Western railroading UN resolution.
When has post-Tzarist Russia EVER had an ideological underpinning, which WAS NOT built around providing worldwide support (if invited, and without imposing anything on any nation) support for oppressed peoples, who suffered colonialism and discrimination? This is not just about the Soviet period. I am talking about BOTH the Soviet period & post-Soviet period. I still see the exact same alignment. The biggest difference is that Russia is seen in a much better light, by Sunni Muslim nations, and has seen support almost totally erode in white European nations (plus USA, Canada, Australia, Chile, Argentina, etc. Though these were enemies then too, but eith pockets of support) Now, instead of just having India as a close ally, you see Sunni Bangladesh & Pakistan siding against the imperialists. China sees today's Russia as the one opposing imperialism. Sri Lanka, India, China, Pakistan, and Bangladesh ALL on the same side should tell you something. Iran, Iraq, and Syria all on the same side should tell you something. Dont forget the central Asian nations! Even the Gulf states surely have their consciences tugging on them. They are clearly seeing Rusdia standing up for anti-racist values. The UAE was close to opposing the resolution. The United Arab Emirates! Get a clue, PaulK.
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PaulK
Member Posts: 17825 Joined: 01-10-2003 Member Rating: 2.1
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Re: Half of world refuses to support Western railroading UN resolution.
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When has post-Tzarist Russia EVER had an ideological underpinning, which WAS NOT built around providing worldwide support (if invited, and without imposing anything on any nation) support for oppressed peoples, who suffered colonialism and discrimination?
Pretty much always. I don’t think that applied when they invaded Finland, for instance. Or the Baltic states. And they’ve got quite a record in oppressing people. Let’s not forget the 1968 invasion of Czechoslovakia - to restore Warsaw Pact control when the Czech people were getting their freedom back. I don’t think NATO has done anything that bad. And what is “anti-racist” in conquering your neighbours?
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Phat
Member Posts: 18295 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.1
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Re: Half of world refuses to support Western railroading UN resolution.
China sees today's Russia as the one opposing imperialism. If by "imperialism you mean the Western bloc of power headed by the weakening United States, explain how China's ascendency and global rise is going to be any less "imperialistic"? Russia is doing all of the heavy lifting for them. And explain to us your disdain for "white people" and white privilege being any different than it would be if the economic and global superpower was the leader of BRIC? Meet the new Boss. Same as the old Boss. Except I would rather live under the government I now have rather than the CCP and its future economic cronies. How would you imagine the two African "Giants" feel? Is one global leader really any different from the other?
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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LamarkNewAge
Member Posts: 2312 Joined: 12-22-2015
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Message 132 of 995 (892321)
03-05-2022 3:32 PM
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Reply to: Message 130 by PaulK
03-05-2022 3:10 PM
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Re: Half of world refuses to support Western railroading UN resolution.
Wow, you are ignorant of Finland. Remember the Neo Nazi Ludwig Borga? (A massive bully, who could deadlift 989 pounds) He came to the United States, in 1993, to complain about the poverty in Detroit. He was an environmentalist. He was a socialist. He was also an anti-immigration bigot. Finland was forced to take a neutral stance, during ths Cold War. No Nazi crap then, or fairly little. Then the Soviet Union fell ... The Ludwig Borga's attempted to get an anti-immigration socialism moving again. The Soviets opposed anti-immigration "socialism". They opposed those who supported nationalistic socialism. (Putin has softened on the anti-nationalistic approach, and I suspect that is what is enabling the Gulf states to not be so antagonistic towards him)
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Phat
Member Posts: 18295 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.1
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Message 133 of 995 (892323)
03-05-2022 3:34 PM
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Reply to: Message 130 by PaulK
03-05-2022 3:10 PM
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Is white privilege all about us and them?
PK writes: I don’t think NATO has done anything that bad. LNA would likely argue that you feel that way only because you have benefited from the largely white privilege that NATO offered. As have we all. Winning the cold war helped NATO more than it did the third world, for example. LNA seems to me to be someone from either an Islamic or African heritage who sees the ongoing racism that he perceives being against people of color having equal opportunity to make it in life (financially, spiritually, or practically) due to Western dominance. Mind you I could be wrong.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Phat
Member Posts: 18295 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.1
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Message 134 of 995 (892325)
03-05-2022 3:39 PM
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Reply to: Message 130 by PaulK
03-05-2022 3:10 PM
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If The Shoe Were On The Other Foot
PK writes: And what is “anti-racist” in conquering your neighbours? LNA may perhaps be pointing out that global opinion was not in favor of the Iraqi people nor the Afghani people as much as it is for Ukraine. Perhaps the light skin is a factor in exposing LNA's own racism. We need to move beyond white privilege. It is slowly getting better. Holding an ongoing grudge against the old colonialists' won't help anything. Perhaps LNA is disgusted that we (Liberals and moderates in Western Countries)don't see the double standard. I would argue that I see it, yet dont understand LNA in that he seems to be stirring up my being more critical of my own country than I am about Russia or China. I am more of a nationalist than a globalist because quite honestly globalism does not favor me. Can LNA see the same thing --namely that non-favoritism and globalism won't really help him either? Or is he complaining that the nation of his birth or choice is too weak to stand on its own and would rather support BRIC than NATO? Edited by Phat, : No reason given.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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Phat
Member Posts: 18295 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.1
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Message 135 of 995 (892328)
03-05-2022 3:51 PM
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Reply to: Message 134 by Phat
03-05-2022 3:39 PM
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Re: If The Shoe Were On The Other Foot
Upon reading what I just wrote, I am reminded that LNA also supports massive immigration. Perhaps he would like to see more people in the United States that would oppose our nationalism and embrace globalism so that they too can be adopted by Uncle Sam.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
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