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Sarah Bellum
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Message 601 of 773 (892332)
03-05-2022 3:56 PM
Reply to: Message 588 by Theodoric
01-29-2022 4:04 PM


Re: A classic self-own
So . . . what? From you it's psychobabble now?

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 602 of 773 (892335)
03-05-2022 3:59 PM
Reply to: Message 589 by ringo
01-31-2022 10:43 AM


Re: Wannabe Conservative Thinkers
Ringo was embarrassed out of ignorance of some random tidbit of pop culture. So Ringo threw a hissy fit.
Wow.
I can't imagine what would happen to Ringo's head if Ringo were discovered to be ignorant of something substantive. Maybe an explosion like something out of Scanners?
Oh. Dear. Another pop culture reference . . .

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Theodoric
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Message 603 of 773 (892337)
03-05-2022 4:07 PM
Reply to: Message 601 by Sarah Bellum
03-05-2022 3:56 PM


Re: A classic self-own
Psychobabble?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 604 of 773 (892340)
03-05-2022 4:16 PM
Reply to: Message 603 by Theodoric
03-05-2022 4:07 PM


Re: A classic self-own
That's what ends up in her cerebellum when she can't follow the topic.
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 605 of 773 (892441)
03-07-2022 11:05 AM
Reply to: Message 602 by Sarah Bellum
03-05-2022 3:59 PM


Re: Wannabe Conservative Thinkers
Sarah Bellum writes:
Ringo was embarrassed out of ignorance of some random tidbit of pop culture. So Ringo threw a hissy fit.
I always have to follow the links backward to figure out what the hell you're dribbling about.
There was no embarrassment. You made a reference that I didn't recognize and I asked you to clarify. You still haven't done so.
You also lied about it, calling it an "offhand remark" when, in fact, it was the entirety of your post Message 343.
Sarah Bellum writes:
I can't imagine what would happen to Ringo's head...
I'm sure you can't.
Sarah Bellum writes:
... if Ringo were discovered to be ignorant of something substantive.
In fact, I am ignorant about many substantive things. Everybody is.
Y'know what I do when I'm ignorant about something? I ASK!
And intelligent, honest posters ANSWER. They don't call a simple question a "hissy fit".

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Phat
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Message 606 of 773 (892497)
03-08-2022 2:09 PM
Reply to: Message 601 by Sarah Bellum
03-05-2022 3:56 PM


Re: A classic self-own
Sara, Sara, Sara! Lets move on. I know that some of us come to EvC simply to vent, but the best way to stay out of the Troll Club is to give the members some respect. And start a new conversation rather than analyzing an old one to death!
So let's go global. Who Are the Global Villains? Conservatives or Liberals?
And how about that little war in Europe! I see Putin as an autocrat and an authoritarian. Im not sure but I think he is mostly Conservative. He yearns for the old Soviet Union. I also think he sees the future of the world and he sees an endgame. And he does not want to be on the sidelines watching.
Comments?

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 607 of 773 (892498)
03-08-2022 2:12 PM
Reply to: Message 605 by ringo
03-07-2022 11:05 AM


Stirring The Stew
ringo writes:
In fact, I am ignorant about many substantive things. Everybody is.
I believe that in the near future we will have a black swan event. For the West, it will be financial. Being a liberal, do you even see it or is it hidden from your perception?

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 608 of 773 (892500)
03-08-2022 2:15 PM
Reply to: Message 342 by jar
09-06-2021 6:24 AM


Re: Wannabe Conservative Thinkers
jar writes:
If we had diverted only a small percentage of what we spent in utterly stupid wars since WWII (including the stupid War on Drugs and War on Terror) into productive foreign aid; roads, health care, infrastructure; we and the whole world would have benefited.
True. But then again, you are optimistic about humanism succeeding on this planet and hope that we can all get along for sure.
I suppose I shouldn't argue. The Biblical Christians await a rescuer rather than rolling up their sleeves and pitching in. I get nervous when there is no clear leader.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Tanypteryx
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Message 609 of 773 (892501)
03-08-2022 2:21 PM
Reply to: Message 607 by Phat
03-08-2022 2:12 PM


Re: Stirring The Stew
I believe that in the near future we will have a purple woodpecker event. In the west it will be suet based. Being a peanut butter advocate it will probably be invisible to you.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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jar
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Message 610 of 773 (892502)
03-08-2022 2:31 PM
Reply to: Message 608 by Phat
03-08-2022 2:15 PM


Re: Wannabe Conservative Thinkers
Phat writes:
But then again, you are optimistic about humanism succeeding on this planet and hope that we can all get along for sure.
No stupido!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am not an optimist. Stop saying utterly stupid things.
I am a realist and know for a fact that there is not now and never has been any option other than humans determining success or failure.
My belief is that you are typical of most humans and thus there is almost no chance of there being success.
You and those like you are the problem and there is not any evidence or even any suggestion that any god or God or Jesus can do anything.

My Website: My Website

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Phat
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Message 611 of 773 (892503)
03-08-2022 2:32 PM
Reply to: Message 231 by Percy
07-19-2021 9:26 AM


Re: Wannabe Conservative Thinkers
Tanypteryx writes:
So YOU know what, where, when the point of no return is? What happens when we get there?
By then it will be too late. We are approaching it rapidly.
Percy writes:
Naturally liberals and conservatives disagree, but no one on either side is trying to infringe upon the other's free speech rights.
Hear, hear! Im all in favor of free speech. I still think you are wrong about the US Dollar and the way repayment of the "debt" appears so logical. It is a Black Swan Event. We are at 1 minute to midnite. This little spat in Europe will accelerate and expose the weaknesses in the Western financial system.
Since its a long video, I will suggest listening at 7:30. Adam Baretta explains the likely scenario quite well.
If you think you are wasting time, I will attempt to explain further in my own words and through the transcript but until you hear what I listen to, you cant advise me why my thinking is wrong and why yours is correct. The Western economy and the US dollar are fragile.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 612 of 773 (892504)
03-08-2022 2:44 PM
Reply to: Message 610 by jar
03-08-2022 2:31 PM


Re: Wannabe Conservative Thinkers
So I take it that aside from rolling up your sleeves you see no value in prayer except as a recited ritual in the church.
All jabberwocky aside, I'm again trying to convince everyone that we all are in deep doo and this war in Europe won't help the United States and the delusional Fed from kicking the can down the road any longer. Our day of reckoning is at hand.
Putin, for all of his megalomaniacal worldview, expects Russians to get used to suffering in order to make them tougher. He (likely correctly) predicts that the United States and the West won't adapt to suffering easily.
Would you agree that he is an authoritarian despot? Do you think that he sees the reality of the future of the planet better than most Western people? After all, we are still arguing about global warming over here. He is attempting to seize the Ukrainian breadbasket in anticipation of the tough times ahead.
Personally, I think that you think we have more time than we actually do to fix our broken system.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Posts: 18390
From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003


Message 613 of 773 (892505)
03-08-2022 2:47 PM
Reply to: Message 609 by Tanypteryx
03-08-2022 2:21 PM


Re: Stirring The Stew
I am guessing that you think you have reality all figured out.
We can keep talking as we live through reality together!
One reality exposed in the video is the fact that the human brain cannot process a Black Swan event. Until it happens.
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Tanypteryx
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Message 614 of 773 (892506)
03-08-2022 3:07 PM
Reply to: Message 613 by Phat
03-08-2022 2:47 PM


Re: Stirring The Stew
One reality exposed in the video is the fact that the human brain cannot process a Black Swan event. Until it happens.
Yeah, you might want to remind the science fiction writers that imagination is off limits then.
I am guessing that you think you have reality all figured out.
Well, your guesses about my thoughts do not reflect reality.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Theodoric
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Message 615 of 773 (892508)
03-08-2022 3:16 PM
Reply to: Message 611 by Phat
03-08-2022 2:32 PM


Re: Wannabe Conservative Thinkers
Where do you find these idiots?
Barratta is just trying to sell gold futures to the rubes. You didn't put all your retirement into gold did you?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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