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PaulK
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Message 136 of 995 (892330)
03-05-2022 3:52 PM
Reply to: Message 132 by LamarkNewAge
03-05-2022 3:32 PM


Re: Half of world refuses to support Western railroading UN resolution.
quote:
Wow, you are ignorant of Finland.
I notice that you don’t actually bother to support your assertion. Or even to dispute the other examples I mentioned.
What has a neo-Nazi coming from Finland in 1993 have to do with the Russian invasion years before he was born ? Oh right, it’s just a distraction because you have nothing.
It doesn’t matter how nasty and dishonest you are. I won’t submit to you any more than I did to any of the other lying bigots who came through here,

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Message 137 of 995 (892333)
03-05-2022 3:57 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by PaulK
03-05-2022 3:52 PM


Does The Color Of The Troll Matter? An Honest Question
Perhaps LNA is a troll. He certainly doesnt want to talk with me, and I have no idea why. Perhaps he is just testing our biases and prejudices in order to confirm his own racism.

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Message 138 of 995 (892334)
03-05-2022 3:58 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by Phat
03-05-2022 3:34 PM


Re: Is white privilege all about us and them?
quote:
LNA would likely argue that you feel that way only because you have benefited from the largely white privilege that NATO offered.
LNA would have to actually point out things equally bad that NATO had done. Crushing freedom to maintain an oppressive hegemony is pretty bad. NATO actions in Libya and Kosovo for instance don’t go that far. And in Kosovo at least NATO really were helping an oppressed minority.
And LNA seems to be a white person who thinks he can enlist people of colour in his fascist crusade just by decreeing it. He really is appallingly racist.

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Message 139 of 995 (892336)
03-05-2022 4:03 PM
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03-05-2022 3:39 PM


Re: If The Shoe Were On The Other Foot
quote:
LNA may perhaps be pointing out that global opinion was not in favor of the Iraqi people nor the Afghani people as much as it is for Ukraine.
There was plenty of opposition to the Iraq war. I wasn’t exactly a fan of it. Even so it’s still not as bad as the invasion of Ukraine. I didn’t like the American invasion of Grenada either - which is a closer parallel, but still not quite as bad.
So where’s the double standard?

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Message 140 of 995 (892338)
03-05-2022 4:09 PM


Who Trusts The News?
Getting back to the Ukrainian war, I seek most of my information on it from the BBC and Al Jazeera.
I like Al Jazeera because it is a more balanced view than I get here. In fact, one opinion piece sounded a bit like LNA!
Covering Ukraine: A mean streak of racist exceptionalism
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“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 141 of 995 (892341)
03-05-2022 4:37 PM
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03-05-2022 4:09 PM


Re: Who Trusts The News?
But it’s not very much like what LNA is saying. There’s no attempt to justify the Russian invasion, just the point that white Ukrainian refugees are getting better treatment than - for instance - Arab refugees.
Which is an entirely valid point. Unlike LNAs.
(The British government is being less welcoming than most of Europe - because British racism also targets Eastern Europeans - one of the things behind Brexit).

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Message 142 of 995 (892342)
03-05-2022 4:41 PM


I want to point out to LNA that the world vote to condemn Putin and Russia and their barbaric action in Ukraine was 141 of 193 nations voting to condemn.
141 of 193 nations voted to condemn Putin.
Czar Putin the Condemned is now pariah to this world.
I want to make sure he understands what the rest of the world thinks of his beloved Czar. And then watch as republicans and the american right squirm and dance to justify their love affair with an enemy sworn to destroy us.
What a loyal opposition your republican right turns out to be. First insurrectionist then seditionist.
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 143 of 995 (892344)
03-05-2022 4:57 PM
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03-05-2022 4:41 PM


And don't for get LNA is still pissed about the Maple Syrup War between Libya and Canada.

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 144 of 995 (892347)
03-05-2022 8:55 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by PaulK
03-05-2022 3:52 PM


Re: Half of world refuses to support Western railroading UN resolution.
There was a Treaty of Tartu signed in 1920 between Finland and Russia.
There were uprisings in Karelia, which was a western region of Russia, since the 1700s. It had mostly ethnic Finns, as a population demographic.
Finland was invading Russia, during World War 1, expecting a victorious Germany to help them take Karelia.
It did not work out and Red Russia offered the Treaty of Tartu, defining borders, and requiring Finland to agree to stop trying to take Karelia. 1920 ratification.
But Finland pulled a stunt. In Finland, the 1921-1922 Finnish-Soviet Uprisings are called the East Karelian Uprisings.
Finland allowed members of its military to cross the border to Russian sovereign territories in Karelia. Finland allowed anybody to cross and join rebels. Finland is recognized, by historically confirmed policy, to have sent "humanitarian aid" to help the war effort. The Finnish government.
Once the rebellion was defeated, in 1922, a new treaty was signed.
Then, in the 1930s, Nazi Germany & Russia fought - through proxies- endless civil wars, before the shocking treaty between Hitler & Stalin. But Finnish designs to invade Russia & establish a Greater Finland were alive & well, and Finns looked forward to the inevitable war between Germany and Russia. Finns were ready to use Germany to take East Karelia.
Stalin knew it.
So provide the context, PaulK.
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Message 145 of 995 (892348)
03-05-2022 9:01 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by AZPaul3
03-05-2022 4:41 PM


You wish the Tsars were still in power.
Does anybody doubt that?
Honestly, AzPaul would love for the Tsars to be in power.
Who can deny that?

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Tanypteryx
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Message 146 of 995 (892349)
03-05-2022 9:14 PM
Reply to: Message 145 by LamarkNewAge
03-05-2022 9:01 PM


Re: You wish the Tsars were still in power.
I dispute that!
Why he recently told me that he wants the Mongol Empire back in charge of Russia.
So that proves you are wrong again.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

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AZPaul3
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Message 147 of 995 (892350)
03-05-2022 9:16 PM
Reply to: Message 145 by LamarkNewAge
03-05-2022 9:01 PM


Re: You wish the Tsars were still in power.
Honestly, AzPaul would love for the Tsars to be in power.
Who can deny that?
Me.
There already is one in Moscow. The USofA nearly escaped one a few years ago.
I detest both. You're the one who loves both.
Seditionist.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 148 of 995 (892352)
03-05-2022 9:42 PM
Reply to: Message 147 by AZPaul3
03-05-2022 9:16 PM


Re: You wish the Tsars were still in power.
You also told us that Republicans loved Putin.
The evidence showed you were a flat out liar.
You were proven wrong, but kept on telling the same lies.

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Message 149 of 995 (892353)
03-05-2022 10:08 PM
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03-05-2022 9:42 PM


Re: You wish the Tsars were still in power.
The Republicans do love Putin. All 70 million of Trump's Moron Cult, like you, think Putin shits chocolate syrup.
You have never proven anything.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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AZPaul3
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Message 150 of 995 (892354)
03-05-2022 11:38 PM
Reply to: Message 148 by LamarkNewAge
03-05-2022 9:42 PM


Re: You wish the Tsars were still in power.
You were proven wrong, but kept on telling the same lies.
And I'm gonna say it again. With evidence just like before.
GOP torn as Marjorie Taylor Greene speaks to far right amid ‘Putin!’ chants
You Nazi reich-wingnut strongman wannabees just love you some mean nasty bloody anti-American Putin. Tzar Vladimir the Condemned, just like you, is such a fan of the American ideal.
And to make an oft needed point, 141 of 193 nations voted to condemn Putin.
Putin was officially condemned by the whole world.
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

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