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LamarkNewAge
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Message 181 of 995 (892390)
03-06-2022 3:01 PM
Reply to: Message 180 by Theodoric
03-06-2022 2:40 PM


Do you actually care about Syrian & African refugees?
That was one main issue we were discussing.
My Puerto Rican friend understood that it takes a big set of economic incentives to tame "racists" (my words, in 2014/15) in Poland and Ukraine.
They want freedom to travel in the E.U., so joining the E.U. will put them in a less nationalistic position.
But they still are nationalistic beasts.
I said it is "tricky to sooth the nationalistic beasts".
I have to defang the nationalistic EvC site, and it is, indeed, "tricky".
This site has been the biggest challenge ever, for this old anti-nationalist.

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 182 of 995 (892392)
03-06-2022 3:24 PM


Pakistan risks ALOT by refusing to side with bullies.
"Unlike the richer and more powerful nations... Pakistan does not have the luxury of testing ghe West's patience, particularly Washington."
A website I just found, called Crisis.org (?) analyses many nations that stood against the mighty West, in the UN vote.
Quote might be a bit off, as I have to remember it word for we ord on my phone.
Crisis Group is site.
Quote was close enough.
Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.

  
Phat
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Message 183 of 995 (892393)
03-06-2022 3:49 PM
Reply to: Message 181 by LamarkNewAge
03-06-2022 3:01 PM


Re: Do you actually care about Syrian & African refugees?
Are you a globalist, then? If there were such a thing as "sides" which side would you suport?

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Theodoric
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Message 184 of 995 (892394)
03-06-2022 4:09 PM
Reply to: Message 181 by LamarkNewAge
03-06-2022 3:01 PM


You have not answered any questions.
All you have are strawman fallacies and a gish gallop? So I assume you know nothing about Puerto Rico, but are willing to trot out your "Puerto Rican friend" when convenient.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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LamarkNewAge
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Message 185 of 995 (892395)
03-06-2022 4:21 PM
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03-06-2022 3:49 PM


Re: Do you actually care about Syrian & African refugees?
When I was leaving New York (sigh,again) in 2017, I was reading thg he New Jersey Star Ledger, and Steve Bannon was on the cover.
He was using the term "globalist".
The paper mentioned how that was a term "left-wingers" use, but it is now a term right-wingers gave started to use.
I have no idea what it means, actually.
Sorry.

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 186 of 995 (892396)
03-06-2022 4:22 PM
Reply to: Message 184 by Theodoric
03-06-2022 4:09 PM


Re: You have not answered any questions.
You are lost in 50 different contexts, and unfortunately, none are part of this one.
Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.

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Theodoric
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Message 187 of 995 (892398)
03-06-2022 4:46 PM
Reply to: Message 186 by LamarkNewAge
03-06-2022 4:22 PM


Troll
Troll. Who knows nothing about Puerto Rico except that it is a US "ethnic" group.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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LamarkNewAge
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Message 188 of 995 (892399)
03-06-2022 4:54 PM
Reply to: Message 183 by Phat
03-06-2022 3:49 PM


Globalist probably has to do with trade? Free trade opponents use term?
Washington Post
Bannon VOWS A DAILY FIGHT FOR
FEB 23, 2017
PHILLIP RUCKER
ROBERT COSTA
Bannon used some terms that are more often heard on the political left as negative labels, such as "globalist" and "corporatist". Such words are rarely heard in a traditional Republican platform and underscore how Trump's populism and suspicion of theworld economy are in some respects similar to that of Sen Bernie Sanders
(I see the term as a whole lot of confusion, mind you)
Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 189 of 995 (892400)
03-06-2022 5:20 PM
Reply to: Message 115 by LamarkNewAge
03-04-2022 10:39 PM


Re: South Africa's ruling party released statement on Feb 27
From the crisis site I linked to:
On 27 February, the ruling African National Congress (ANC) issued its own statement that criticized "openly biased" Western leaders, and spoke of "brazen propaganda" and "unprecedented disinformation" - presumably on the part of the Western media - and referenced unjust western military interventions in other places.
The "statement" has a hyper link. On the crisis site, I linked some posts above.
I challenge Theodoric to get off of his Trolling butt, and respond, line by line to a statement from the party of the late Nelson Mandela.
The ANC might represent the polar opposite of your overall political views, Theodoric, but you would show a rare moment of character by engaging those you disagree with so strongly.
(The ANC is fairly close to my own views, generally. On foreign policy, we dont disagree on much)

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Theodoric
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Message 190 of 995 (892401)
03-06-2022 5:28 PM
Reply to: Message 189 by LamarkNewAge
03-06-2022 5:20 PM


I will
Why would I respond to the statement of a political party in a foreign country? Besides I have not seen the text. Post a link and maybe I will read it.
Edited by Theodoric, : ANC does not speak for SA. They are a political party

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 191 of 995 (892402)
03-06-2022 5:35 PM
Reply to: Message 189 by LamarkNewAge
03-06-2022 5:20 PM


Re: South Africa's ruling party released statement on Feb 27
Do you know anything about SA?
quote:
The Nelson Mandela Foundation has urged South Africa to condemn Russia’s invasion of Ukraine amid the mounting calls for government to clarify its stance over the ongoing conflict.
Pressure mounts on SA to call out Russia for its invasion of Ukraine

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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LamarkNewAge
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Message 192 of 995 (892404)
03-06-2022 5:49 PM
Reply to: Message 191 by Theodoric
03-06-2022 5:35 PM


Re: South Africa's ruling party released statement on Feb 27
Your source lied.
The Nelson Mandela Foundation called for a ceasefirs AND NEGOTIATIONS!
And the latest call, from the foundation, was to condemn Ukrainian racism.
You have deen wilfully misled by liars.
Now address the actual ANC statement!
It would be out of character, for you - meaning it would show character

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 193 of 995 (892405)
03-06-2022 5:50 PM
Reply to: Message 191 by Theodoric
03-06-2022 5:35 PM


Re: South Africa's ruling party released statement on Feb 27
Show me where the word "condemn" was used.
By the Nelson Mandela Foundation.

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Message 194 of 995 (892406)
03-06-2022 6:16 PM
Reply to: Message 193 by LamarkNewAge
03-06-2022 5:50 PM


Condemned? Yes, Condemned!
Show me where the word "condemn" was used.
Oh. Condemned. I know this word. The world knows this word. Everyone, except fascist power-mad dictator wannabees, is using this word to describe your hero, Putin.
141 of 193 nations voted to condemn Putin. Putin was officially condemned by the whole world.
Tsar Vladimir The Condemned.
Yes. We know the word well.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 195 of 995 (892407)
03-06-2022 6:45 PM
Reply to: Message 194 by AZPaul3
03-06-2022 6:16 PM


Re: Condemned? Yes, Condemned!
So, are you in favor of negotiations?
The Nelson Mandela Center does.
The ANC does.
Most of the world does.
Why do you disagree with the 4.1 billion in 40 countries that oppose the 3.6 billion in 141 countries.
The non-white, non-fascist world wants negotiations.
Join the world!
Condemn the "unprecedented disinformation" (see Feb 27, ANC)of the West.

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