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PaulK
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Message 226 of 995 (892476)
03-08-2022 2:04 AM
Reply to: Message 215 by LamarkNewAge
03-07-2022 9:24 PM


Re: South Africa has as many people as the UK.
quote:
I actually had to pinch myself, reading PaulK's World War 2 views. If our debate was in person, I would study his face to try to figure out if he was joking.
Oh, and because it bears repeating, you tried to claim that the 1939 Soviet invasion of Finland was justified because a neo-Nazi wrestler came from Finland to the US in 1993. To any sane person THAT would be a joke of an argument.

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Phat
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Message 227 of 995 (892477)
03-08-2022 6:39 AM
Reply to: Message 221 by LamarkNewAge
03-08-2022 12:35 AM


LNA Unplugged?
Im curious where you were born, L.N.A. You seem particularly sensitive to emerging and minority cultures (which is good) and also seem prejudiced against the beneficiaries of white privilege (which stirs a lot of stuff up).
Can't we just all get along? And by the way, if you choose to discuss this stuff publically, you can hardly be called a troll. Everyone seems to think you are just learning U.S. slanguage.
I remember I used to get mad at you for constant cut & pastes and copypasta, but you have improved over the years. And despite what the peanut gallery thinks, I don't picture you as a caucasian. Personally, it matters little to me, but would start a discussion on your personal experiences in life and how you came to despise "white" people in general. (Was it the arrogance or was it the discrimination which you yourself may have experienced?)
I agree with the EvC bunch about Putin's actions, but I think that Putin sees the future better than the clowns at the Federal Reserve and global finance in general. They are not that bright.
Were I to go out on a limb, I would guess that you originally came from a country that was at one time colonized. I see you as more to the Left than to the Right, if these terms have any universal meaning. I see you as wanting the 3rd world people to get a break. Even at my and others expense. But I'll get along with you.
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

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PaulK
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Message 228 of 995 (892479)
03-08-2022 7:42 AM
Reply to: Message 227 by Phat
03-08-2022 6:39 AM


Re: LNA Unplugged?
quote:
Im curious where you were born, L.N.A. You seem particularly sensitive to emerging and minority cultures (which is good) and also seem prejudiced against the beneficiaries of white privilege (which stirs a lot of stuff up).
That’s really not what he’s discussing here. Here, he seems to be taking a hardline Tankie view. (And that article is too kind to Tankies - as LNA demonstrates).

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Theodoric
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Message 229 of 995 (892480)
03-08-2022 9:09 AM
Reply to: Message 227 by Phat
03-08-2022 6:39 AM


Re: LNA Unplugged?
He is a white imperialist. His arguments are classic reactionary when it comes to third world nations and minority groups.
This is exposed by his claim that non-white and minority groups are monolithic in their views, ideas, and aspirations. As a Boricua(US citizen of Puerto Rican ancestry) I can tell you that minorities are just like all other groups. There is a wide range of political and social positions. To make the claim that all people of any group feel a certain way is the height of racism.
In the Hispanic (especially Puerto Rican) world we have friends and family that run the full gamut of color and opinion.
In South Africa, I know women that were on the front lines fighting apartheid(at least one is enshrined in a photo at the Apartheid Museum of a group of protestors). I know people in the next couple of generations that are much more closely aligned with the western democracies and feel they were used as much by the Soviets as they were by the west. In their view, the west has a lot more to offer.
LNA is simply a troll and/or a reactionary harkening for the glory days(which never existed) of the USSR. Wishing for the return of the Comintern.

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Theodoric
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Message 230 of 995 (892481)
03-08-2022 9:10 AM
Reply to: Message 228 by PaulK
03-08-2022 7:42 AM


Re: LNA Unplugged?
Seems like Tankies are not much different from MAGAts.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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PaulK
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Message 231 of 995 (892482)
03-08-2022 9:32 AM
Reply to: Message 230 by Theodoric
03-08-2022 9:10 AM


Re: LNA Unplugged?
There’s not a lot of space between them. And LNA seems closer than most - note how he often attacks Republican politicians seen as being disloyal to Trump. Big, big clue to his sympathies.

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 232 of 995 (892483)
03-08-2022 9:38 AM
Reply to: Message 229 by Theodoric
03-08-2022 9:09 AM


Re: LNA Unplugged?
You ignore the democratically-elected majority view (see the ANC) which reflects black South Africans.
South African whites are the ones with YOUR views.
They are half as removed from forced-segregation as Mississippi whites are.
You ignore the views of minorities, because you feel "white is right", or at least "white is might".
You ignore them "because you can".
You agree with the white imperalistic order.
Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 233 of 995 (892484)
03-08-2022 9:43 AM
Reply to: Message 229 by Theodoric
03-08-2022 9:09 AM


Re: LNA Unplugged?
And I never said minority groups were not packed with members who held conservative views on a ton of issues.
(Not that I see this as some American "conservative" verses "liberal" issue, as it is a distraction)
I never said that there was some universal enlightenment, with some people.
I know that your imperialistic white policies are generally disliked in Africa.
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Message 234 of 995 (892485)
03-08-2022 10:38 AM


Theodoric tells us South African blacks are brainwashed dupes
The more salient point (Theodoric is an offensive liar, to start with, but lets look at salience) is that the ANC had the courage to represent the black majority constituency, due to its legendary moral high ground - recognized globally (though to the consternation of white imperialists).
The Western powers are trying to find a way to punish South Africa into submission.
See:
Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
March 4, 2022
US backs EU Pressure on South Africa to Take...

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ringo
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Message 235 of 995 (892487)
03-08-2022 10:58 AM
Reply to: Message 215 by LamarkNewAge
03-07-2022 9:24 PM


Re: South Africa has as many people as the UK.
LamrkNewAge writes:
You can pretend you dislike the Tsars....
It's not a pretense.
LamarkNewAge writes:
... you can pretend you dislike Nazis....
It's not a pretense.
LamarkNewAge writes:
I suppose the African National Congress is "Tsarist"....
And what does that have to do with "The War in Europe"?

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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ringo
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Message 236 of 995 (892488)
03-08-2022 11:08 AM
Reply to: Message 227 by Phat
03-08-2022 6:39 AM


Re: LNA Unplugged?
Phat writes:
... I think that Putin sees the future better than the clowns at the Federal Reserve and global finance in general.
I see Putin as a gangster, an opportunist. It isn't about "seeing the future" at all. It's about tailoring the future to suit himself.
Wishfull thinking, maybe: The other Russian gangsters will dislike how Putin's war is effecting their crimes and will do away with him.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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LamarkNewAge
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Message 237 of 995 (892489)
03-08-2022 11:23 AM
Reply to: Message 235 by ringo
03-08-2022 10:58 AM


Re: South Africa has as many people as the UK.
Theodoric is all giddy about the Democratic Alliance party, which has severely attacked the ANC position on the Ukraine issue.
The Democratic Alliance is a majority white political party that got 20% of the vote in the 2019 South African national election. The ANC got 55%.
The Democratic Alliance is a "right wing" openly pro colonialism party.
Theodoric swallows the white imperalistic propaganda whole. Notice how he smears black South Africans. So do DA members of parliament.
The UN resolution was an illegitimate vote, because the worldwide non-white community had a white-imperialistic bullet held to its head.
South Africa is a profile in courage and a testament to the power of intelligent,independent thought.
South Africa is a beacon to human rights and human consciousness.
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ringo
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Message 238 of 995 (892490)
03-08-2022 11:40 AM
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03-08-2022 11:23 AM


Re: South Africa has as many people as the UK.
LamrkNewAge writes:
Theodoric... blah blah blah... consciousness.
I asked you what any of that has to do with "The War in Europe". Just answer the question. No stupid ranting required.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Tanypteryx
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Message 239 of 995 (892491)
03-08-2022 12:09 PM
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03-08-2022 11:40 AM


Re: South Africa has as many people as the UK.
LamrkNewAge writes:
Theodoric... blah blah blah... consciousness.
I asked you what any of that has to do with "The War in Europe". Just answer the question. No stupid ranting required.
Don't expect anything coherent from LNA. He's a little shit-for-brains Commie MAGA who supports and advocates for the murders of Ukrainian women and children by Putin and Russia.
He hates freedom and democracy and human dignity.
He's a troll with a putrid, festering, hate filled brain.

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Theodoric
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Message 240 of 995 (892492)
03-08-2022 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 234 by LamarkNewAge
03-08-2022 10:38 AM


Link does not go to an article.
If you can not link to your sources don't bother.
I am not going to waste my time researching for your sources.
As I say all the time.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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